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Cap & Trade vote this Friday; Please contact your Rep
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Mr Gray Jun 28 2009, 05:51 PM Post #16
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Message from Mike Pence about 1/2 hour ago.

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National Energy Tax being debate this morning on House floor... A vote is expected on this so-called, "Cap and Trade" legislation by mid afternoon. Over 300 pages added to this bill around 3am this morning. We haven't even been given a chance to read the bill. I'll be fighting against it and advocating for a positive alternative, the American Energy Act.



We HAVE TO stop the practice of voting on legislation that hasn't had a chance to be read. This is a disgraceful practice, which is currently being done by the Democrats...yes this is partisan. With the majority, they are going to keep ramming shit through with no regard for those millions of citizens represented by a Republican in the House. :pissed:
reminds me of the patriot act. "voting on legislation that hasnt been read." welcome to the new world order. laugh all you want and call me a crazy old man...its here and its staring us all in the face...and goddamnit i tried to warned every one of you about it.
trouble, let me pat you on the back a little harder. Yesterday after Cap & Tax passed, Obama said the following

At the White House, Obama said the bill would create jobs, and added that with its vote, the House had put America on a path toward leading the way toward "creating a 21st century global economy."

"21s century global economy" ....it is getting harder and harder to refute your theories trouble and Obama is now brazen enough to begin articulating it.
Oh for fuck's sake. The 'global economy' has been here for years.

If we weren't all so stupid with our 'we can do whatever we want to the environment' philosophy, there'd be no need for this bill in the first place.
the global economy has been here for years, but a governmentally forced "global tax" has not, but with Cap & Trade it will be. Who has the "we can do anything we want to the environment" attitude? Please explain why you think this bill will actually help the environment?
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
What situation, exactly?
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
What situation, exactly?
Worried about CO2 emissions - whether the threat is real or not
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
What situation, exactly?
Worried about CO2 emissions - whether the threat is real or not
I'm afraid that if our modern life-style is causing global warming/change, this bill is no more than a very expensive rearranging of the titanic deck chairs. China and the rest of the second/third world wants the mobility and comforts that burning fossil fuels has given us, and they aren't worried about minor temperature changes than many scientists believe are well within the normal variations that have occurred for centuries.
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Aaronk,

44 Dems went against it. The bad news 8 Republicans went for it.

It passed the house 219-212 Fucking sellout pieces of shit

Hope the Senate has more sense
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http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-06/installing-plastic-trees-help-environment


plastic trees are the answer.
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
What situation, exactly?
Worried about CO2 emissions - whether the threat is real or not
co2 emissions have continued to increase since 2002 yet the average global temperature has decreased. Yes, those are cherrypicked years, but that is no different than what those on the other side do. We are dealing with something as vast and complex as our atmosphere and making massive decisions based on micro-analysis. I would be much less skeptical if there wasn't soooooo much money attached to the green movement. Take a look.

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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic.
I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
What situation, exactly?
Worried about CO2 emissions - whether the threat is real or not
co2 emissions have continued to increase since 2002 yet the average global temperature has decreased. Yes, those are cherrypicked years, but that is no different than what those on the other side do. We are dealing with something as vast and complex as our atmosphere and making massive decisions based on micro-analysis. I would be much less skeptical if there wasn't soooooo much money attached to the green movement. Take a look.

Here's an idea:

Quit cutting down so many fucking trees then....................

How about instead of getting on me for driving an SUV, and spending billions on this BS legislature, we give the money to subsidize the Brazilians and Peruvians who cut down 7000 sq miles of rain forest every year so they don't have to in order to make a living?

Not that I am all about pissing money away, but at least then we could drive what we want to drive and manufacture what we need here in the states (no cap/trade to export jobs).
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You guys have probably head about the EPA report refuting the common concerns of Global Warming...etc. Below is the link. I have no idea if Allen's facts are correct or not, but that really isn't the point. What I don't like is the repression of his opinion for obvious political reasons as stated below (from an EPA email to Allen)

"The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision," he wrote, according to the e-mails released by CEI. "I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/gop-senator-calls-inquiry-supressed-climate-change-report/

Al gore says the debate is settled, but I have heard repeatedly that there are more scientists who disagree with Global Warming than there are who agree with it. I think we should truly settle the debate before we inact expensive legislation either way.
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When you have the MSM against you, it's very difficult to win the hearts and minds of the American people. Those who argue alternative sources like the internet allow everyone to get a balanced view point miss the fact that most Americans are either too busy or apathetic to put in the extra effort, and they get their news from the MSM because that's what they hear in their cars or when catching the TV news 10-15 min per day. The Fox News channel gives me some hope that the media war isn't entirely lost.

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A top Republican senator has ordered an investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming.

The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined.

"He came out with the truth. They don't want the truth at the EPA," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a global warming skeptic, told FOX News, saying he's ordered an investigation. "We're going to expose it."
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When you have the MSM against you, it's very difficult to win the hearts and minds of the American people. Those who argue alternative sources like the internet allow everyone to get a balanced view point miss the fact that most Americans are either too busy or apathetic to put in the extra effort, and they get their news from the MSM because that's what they hear in their cars or when catching the TV news 10-15 min per day. The Fox News channel gives me some hope that the media war isn't entirely lost.

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A top Republican senator has ordered an investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming.

The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined.

"He came out with the truth. They don't want the truth at the EPA," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a global warming skeptic, told FOX News, saying he's ordered an investigation. "We're going to expose it."
Don't you mean Faux news? They are as bad as CBS, just in a different direction.
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Don't you mean Faux news? They are as bad as CBS, just in a different direction.
Sadly, you've bought into the lies, my friend.
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Don't you mean Faux news? They are as bad as CBS, just in a different direction.
Sadly, you've bought into the lies, my friend.
Yeah. Back at 'cha. Next time I hear FOX news insinuating to me that social issues are more important to my voting peer group than financial issues, I will think of you. Huzzah for the 'culture war'. Not only does it sell advertising, it also disenfranchises me and voters who share my beliefs because my party has been taken over by those that want their social agenda enforced.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228628,00.html

Did you know that serial killers happen because they are pushed to the wall by political correctness against true conservatives? Some at FOX news do. Thank goodness Bill O'Reilly acted as the voice of reason, because Glen Beck was really going off the deep end with that train of thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwv6iTSCOg

None of the broadcast media, and very little of the print media out there is worth my time. There are exceptions to the rule, but not many.
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