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| Mr Gray | Jun 28 2009, 05:51 PM Post #16 |
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the global economy has been here for years, but a governmentally forced "global tax" has not, but with Cap & Trade it will be. Who has the "we can do anything we want to the environment" attitude? Please explain why you think this bill will actually help the environment? |
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| thePhilosopher | Jun 28 2009, 06:41 PM Post #17 |
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Chops, I think you mean to say the "we can do whatever we want to the environment as long as the EPA allows it" philosophy. To think that environmental issues are completely free of gov't regulation is unrealistic. |
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| chops1221 | Jun 28 2009, 07:10 PM Post #18 |
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I was talking more about the fact that Americans use more energy per capita than any other nationality (except Australians). Had we been less wasteful over the years, we wouldn't be in this situation. |
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| thePhilosopher | Jun 28 2009, 07:45 PM Post #19 |
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What situation, exactly? |
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| chops1221 | Jun 28 2009, 08:12 PM Post #20 |
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Worried about CO2 emissions - whether the threat is real or not |
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| HoosierLars | Jun 28 2009, 11:34 PM Post #21 |
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I'm afraid that if our modern life-style is causing global warming/change, this bill is no more than a very expensive rearranging of the titanic deck chairs. China and the rest of the second/third world wants the mobility and comforts that burning fossil fuels has given us, and they aren't worried about minor temperature changes than many scientists believe are well within the normal variations that have occurred for centuries. |
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| BoilerUpAT | Jun 29 2009, 07:50 AM Post #22 |
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motherfuckers. |
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| eelbor | Jun 29 2009, 08:38 AM Post #23 |
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http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-06/installing-plastic-trees-help-environment plastic trees are the answer. |
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| Mr Gray | Jun 29 2009, 08:49 AM Post #24 |
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co2 emissions have continued to increase since 2002 yet the average global temperature has decreased. Yes, those are cherrypicked years, but that is no different than what those on the other side do. We are dealing with something as vast and complex as our atmosphere and making massive decisions based on micro-analysis. I would be much less skeptical if there wasn't soooooo much money attached to the green movement. Take a look. |
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| BoilerUpAT | Jun 29 2009, 10:34 AM Post #25 |
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Here's an idea: Quit cutting down so many fucking trees then.................... How about instead of getting on me for driving an SUV, and spending billions on this BS legislature, we give the money to subsidize the Brazilians and Peruvians who cut down 7000 sq miles of rain forest every year so they don't have to in order to make a living? Not that I am all about pissing money away, but at least then we could drive what we want to drive and manufacture what we need here in the states (no cap/trade to export jobs). Edited by BoilerUpAT, Jun 29 2009, 10:35 AM.
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| Mr Gray | Jun 30 2009, 08:54 AM Post #26 |
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You guys have probably head about the EPA report refuting the common concerns of Global Warming...etc. Below is the link. I have no idea if Allen's facts are correct or not, but that really isn't the point. What I don't like is the repression of his opinion for obvious political reasons as stated below (from an EPA email to Allen) "The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision," he wrote, according to the e-mails released by CEI. "I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/gop-senator-calls-inquiry-supressed-climate-change-report/ Al gore says the debate is settled, but I have heard repeatedly that there are more scientists who disagree with Global Warming than there are who agree with it. I think we should truly settle the debate before we inact expensive legislation either way. |
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| HoosierLars | Jun 30 2009, 10:04 AM Post #27 |
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When you have the MSM against you, it's very difficult to win the hearts and minds of the American people. Those who argue alternative sources like the internet allow everyone to get a balanced view point miss the fact that most Americans are either too busy or apathetic to put in the extra effort, and they get their news from the MSM because that's what they hear in their cars or when catching the TV news 10-15 min per day. The Fox News channel gives me some hope that the media war isn't entirely lost.
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| eelbor | Jun 30 2009, 10:20 AM Post #28 |
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Don't you mean Faux news? They are as bad as CBS, just in a different direction. |
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| HoosierLars | Jun 30 2009, 11:23 AM Post #29 |
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Sadly, you've bought into the lies, my friend. |
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| eelbor | Jun 30 2009, 11:59 AM Post #30 |
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Yeah. Back at 'cha. Next time I hear FOX news insinuating to me that social issues are more important to my voting peer group than financial issues, I will think of you. Huzzah for the 'culture war'. Not only does it sell advertising, it also disenfranchises me and voters who share my beliefs because my party has been taken over by those that want their social agenda enforced. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228628,00.html Did you know that serial killers happen because they are pushed to the wall by political correctness against true conservatives? Some at FOX news do. Thank goodness Bill O'Reilly acted as the voice of reason, because Glen Beck was really going off the deep end with that train of thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwv6iTSCOg None of the broadcast media, and very little of the print media out there is worth my time. There are exceptions to the rule, but not many. |
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