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| Will congress enroll in government healthcare?; Resolution 615 will make them | |
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| Mr Gray | Jul 15 2009, 04:40 PM Post #1 |
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This is great stuff guys. BTW, Mike Pence is a co-sponsor of this resolution. http://www.fleming.house.gov/ Over the past few weeks, members of Congress and the American people have come to know the details of the Administration's proposed health care plan. Call it whatever you like, I believe this proposal is nothing more than government-run health care. As a physician, I am amazed at the number of bureaucrats in this House who are quick to claim a government-run health care plan is the reform this country needs. In response to this, I have offered a resolution that will offer members of Congress an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, and urge their colleagues who vote for legislation creating a government-run health care plan to lead by example and enroll themselves in the same public plan. Under the current draft of the Democrat healthcare legislation, members of Congress are curiously exempt from the government-run health care option, keeping their existing health plans and services on Capitol Hill. If Members of Congress believe so strongly that government-run health care is the best solution for hard working American families, I think it only fitting that Americans see them lead the way. Public servants should always be accountable and responsible for what they are advocating, and I challenge the American people to demand this from their representatives. Together we will work to ensure that any plan that is good enough is for American families is good enough for every member of Congress. |
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| HoosierLars | Jul 15 2009, 05:13 PM Post #2 |
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| Bobobinc | Jul 15 2009, 05:39 PM Post #3 |
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What's good for the goose.......... Good work Mr. Fleming. |
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| sirbrianwilson | Jul 15 2009, 06:47 PM Post #4 |
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hilarious. i think it'd be incredible if congress enrolled into the gov't plan. the proposed plan has great intentions but terrible consequences. 1018 pages...shit. i believe the right way to go is to have talks with the major health care providers and see if they can work out a system that ensures that all americans are covered. many people believe health care is a priviledge, not a right. i feel differently. i love my country and believe we should cater to the basic needs of all CITIZENS. it would be great to see the percentage of uninsured CITIZENS drop drastically over the next 5 years. if the private sector can't do it, then i believe it's time for the gov't to step in and figure out a way to fix the problem. i believe health care providers have a responsibility to the country. they reside in a business world that more than provides for them. it's time to give back a little and ensure (no pun intended) that all americans can receive affordable healthcare. it sickens me to think about how many people in this country can't afford healthcare. br |
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| Mr Gray | Jul 15 2009, 07:53 PM Post #5 |
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sirbri, glad to see you posting comments of substance. I'll keep it civil. From where do you derive your opinion that healthcare is a "right"? Is it based on how you think things should be, or have you derived it from our country's governing documents? Also, regarding your opinion about it being time that the healthcare providers "give back a little" because the business world they reside in provides so much for them. I assume you are talking about the money they make. Do you not think that the fact that they are bearing the majority of the tax burden in this country is enough? What about professional athletes, should they start paying for the poor's doctor visits? How about lawyers...they make more than the average health provider.....should they start also paying for other people's preventative care? |
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| sirbrianwilson | Jul 15 2009, 08:53 PM Post #6 |
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A. the former. B. No, Yes, Yes. br Edited by sirbrianwilson, Jul 15 2009, 08:54 PM.
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| Mr Gray | Jul 16 2009, 07:20 AM Post #7 |
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So you would rather see politicians govern based on they way some feel it "shoudl be" vs. the rule of law? |
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| IUCOLTFAN | Jul 16 2009, 03:02 PM Post #8 |
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"affordable healthcare" is still FREE to many people. I guess in this sirbri dreamworld, the average citizen can continue to foot the bill for those who cant or refuse to pay and also assume a bigger share of the cost to make it "affordable for everyone" (except the people who are actually paying for it)? sirbri.......for you to get the freebies or the "affordable" option, I will have to pay more and will get the same services. Basically, I will receive the same or worse service at a greater cost. How is this fair to me? Let me guess your answer: "Its not about being fair" Edited by IUCOLTFAN, Jul 16 2009, 03:05 PM.
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| Mr Gray | Jul 16 2009, 03:12 PM Post #9 |
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by definition, sirbrian has a communist viewpoint on healthcare "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". This mentality was never about "fairness" rather it was about attempting to reach equality in results as opposed to equality in output or opportunity. I am under the impression that this country's rule of law establishes equality in opportunity, however sirbrian feels that the communist way is better, per his own statements above. |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| eelbor | Jul 16 2009, 03:16 PM Post #10 |
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:( How dare he disagree with you. The bastard. Lets get him. |
![]() "Liberal, shmiberal. That should be a new word. Shmiberal: one who is assumed liberal, just because he's a professional whiner in the newspaper. If you'll read the subtext for many of those old strips, you'll find the heart of an old-fashioned Libertarian. And I'd be a Libertarian, if they weren't all a bunch of tax-dodging professional whiners." - Berkeley Breathed Meat is Murder. Sweet, delicious murder. | |
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| Mr Gray | Jul 16 2009, 06:32 PM Post #11 |
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I don't think you were referring to me, but all I am doing is illustrating that sirbrian's view narrowly fits the definition of communism. It is easy for almost all American to say they are against philosophies like communism, and then take the communist stance on an issue and either not realize it, or try to ignore it. |
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