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OT: Notre Dame Football billboard; Worth a chuckle
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BoilerVision Sep 4 2009, 09:31 AM Post #106
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Well they sure were competitive that year against the Boilers.
They lost 33-19 to a poorly coached Purdue team. Ironically, Tiller resigned after that season. Anyone on this board can admit that Tiller did a poor job his last four seasons. See the difference?
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Well they sure were competitive that year against the Boilers.
They lost 33-19 to a poorly coached Purdue team. Ironically, Tiller resigned after that season. Anyone on this board can admit that Tiller did a poor job his last four seasons. See the difference?
And the worst offense in D-1A put up like 450-500 yards against you guys and was within striking distance late in the 4th quarter. I would imagine that you watched that game and know it was competitive, but just don't want to admit it.

And i have admitted that Charlie did a poor job in 2007 -though i may not have used those exact words- you guys just seem to convieniently skip over that part.
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just goes to show the huge HUGE HUGE difference between turdue and ND football: ND's worst team against Turdue best and its a competitive game. Turdue's worst against ND's best and ND can name the score by 50 or more.
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And i have admitted that Charlie did a poor job in 2007 -though i may not have used those exact words- you guys just seem to convieniently skip over that part.
That's because you keep attaching excuses to your admission. To say Weis went 20-6 his first two years, but went 3-9 after that as a "direct result of the previous staff" just doesn't hold water. Hell, last year's 6-6 wasn't really much better. The '08 team would have been 4-8, maybe 5-7 against a real schedule.
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just goes to show the huge HUGE HUGE difference between turdue and ND football: ND's worst team against Turdue best and its a competitive game. Turdue's worst against ND's best and ND can name the score by 50 or more.
LMAO @ "Turdue best". Purdue was basically the same team in '07 as they were in '08...only significant difference was the schedule. Worst in the Tiller era.
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just goes to show the huge HUGE HUGE difference between turdue and ND football: ND's worst team against Turdue best and its a competitive game. Turdue's worst against ND's best and ND can name the score by 50 or more.
LMAO @ "Turdue best". Purdue was basically the same team in '07 as they were in '08...only significant difference was the schedule. Worst in the Tiller era.
what was turdue's record that year?
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just goes to show the huge HUGE HUGE difference between turdue and ND football: ND's worst team against Turdue best and its a competitive game. Turdue's worst against ND's best and ND can name the score by 50 or more.
LMAO @ "Turdue best". Purdue was basically the same team in '07 as they were in '08...only significant difference was the schedule. Worst in the Tiller era.
what was turdue's record that year?
7-5 with a loss to IU blowout home loss to MSU, and a 48-7 loss to Michigan.
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just goes to show the huge HUGE HUGE difference between turdue and ND football: ND's worst team against Turdue best and its a competitive game. Turdue's worst against ND's best and ND can name the score by 50 or more.
LMAO @ "Turdue best". Purdue was basically the same team in '07 as they were in '08...only significant difference was the schedule. Worst in the Tiller era.
what was turdue's record that year?
7-5 with a loss to IU blowout home loss to MSU, and a 48-7 loss to Michigan.
one of turdue's better teams in their 'illustrious' history.
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Your anger and hatred is amusing.
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but went 3-9 after that as a "direct result of the previous staff" just doesn't hold water. Hell, last year's 6-6 wasn't really much better. The '08 team would have been 4-8, maybe 5-7 against a real schedule.
I never said "as a direct result" i am simply saying it played it's part.

And personally i was more disappointed in last years team than i was in 2007's.
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so a small senior class, a top-10 junior class (or redshirt soph) , a top-10 sophomore class (or redshirt freshman) , a top-10 frosh class didn't underachieve significantly with 3 wins?

Pass the kool-aid

Last year, they go 6-6 with 4 top-10 classes for christ's sake
you don't pay much attention do you? Weis' first class was a mixed class that was not a top 10 class.
His first top 10 class were sophomores during the 2007 season.

SO the question remains - How well do you expect a team full of underclassmen to do over the course of the season?
Once again, they weren't even COMPETITIVE in the games they lost.

And you're still acting like Willingham left no one. He had no problem taking Willingham's credit for the first two years. He knew what he had left after Quinn left, he had two years to develop them.

And God help me, what UB said. Florida had a shit load of underclassmen a few years ago
Well they sure were competitive that year against the Boilers.

Once again you don't answer the question. Why is that?

Ands as to the Gators, see me post above this one.
Competitive against the boilers? their 3-9 year? what game were you watching.


Purdue laid the fuck down the whole second half and still won easily. I was in the stands, it wasn't a game.

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Anything about 3-9 in the third year of a program as 'extenuating circumstances' is simply a weak excuse.

And just off the top of my head, John Carlson was a senior and Mackey candidate as a junior. Seems like he has done quite well at the pro level as well.
Brum, i will ask you the same question i asked BOiler. How successful of a season do you expect a team full of Freshmen and Sophomores to have against a reasonably competitive schedule?
I have said -multiple times now - that they should have won more games. There are no excuses for going 3-9. Most people however, people to seem to think that they should have won 8 or 9 games that year and judge Weis accordingly.

And regarding Carlson, i am not sure of his exact numbers, but i do know that he wasn't much of a threat his senior year because he had to help stay in and block a lot.
You are WAY overplaying the 'team full of freshman and sophomore' angle.

Notre Dame returned 30 letterman on that team. Four players were drafted immediately at the end of the 3-9 year...two in the second round, one in the third. Six starting seniors returned, not counting the kicker and punter.

It sure as heck wasn't the first Notre Dame team that had to play young players. They WERE the first one to ever start 0-4. They WERE the one that lost more games than any Notre Dame team in history. They WERE the first ND team to lose to Navy in 43 years (and at home, no less). They DID take five games to finally score a passing touchdown. They DID lose 38-0 to a Michigan team that was 0-2 with their most lopsided home loss ever (39-7 to Oregon) and a loss to a D 1AA school (Appalachian State).



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Anything about 3-9 in the third year of a program as 'extenuating circumstances' is simply a weak excuse.

And just off the top of my head, John Carlson was a senior and Mackey candidate as a junior. Seems like he has done quite well at the pro level as well.
Brum, i will ask you the same question i asked BOiler. How successful of a season do you expect a team full of Freshmen and Sophomores to have against a reasonably competitive schedule?
I have said -multiple times now - that they should have won more games. There are no excuses for going 3-9. Most people however, people to seem to think that they should have won 8 or 9 games that year and judge Weis accordingly.

And regarding Carlson, i am not sure of his exact numbers, but i do know that he wasn't much of a threat his senior year because he had to help stay in and block a lot.
You are WAY overplaying the 'team full of freshman and sophomore' angle.

Notre Dame returned 30 letterman on that team. Four players were drafted immediately at the end of the 3-9 year...two in the second round, one in the third. Six starting seniors returned, not counting the kicker and punter.

It sure as heck wasn't the first Notre Dame team that had to play young players. They WERE the first one to ever start 0-4. They WERE the one that lost more games than any Notre Dame team in history. They WERE the first ND team to lose to Navy in 43 years (and at home, no less). They DID take five games to finally score a passing touchdown. They DID lose 38-0 to a Michigan team that was 0-2 with their most lopsided home loss ever (39-7 to Oregon) and a loss to a D 1AA school (Appalachian State).



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Notre Dame returned 30 letterman on that team. Four players were drafted immediately at the end of the 3-9 year...two in the second round, one in the third. Six starting seniors returned, not counting the kicker and punter.

It sure as heck wasn't the first Notre Dame team that had to play young players. They WERE the first one to ever start 0-4. They WERE the one that lost more games than any Notre Dame team in history. They WERE the first ND team to lose to Navy in 43 years (and at home, no less). They DID take five games to finally score a passing touchdown. They DID lose 38-0 to a Michigan team that was 0-2 with their most lopsided home loss ever (39-7 to Oregon) and a loss to a D 1AA school (Appalachian State).



returning lettermen?
How about this. I count 4 or 5 seniors (i forget how many games Crum started) that started a majority of games. That 5 out of 22. Tha's less than a uarter of the starters. On the two deep i count 20 out of 44 and i think a few of those missed some time time to injury.

YOu seem to like numbers though, how about these numbers

*courtesy Blue-Gray Sky
What can be expected from an offensive line that includes the following class distribution of scholarship linemen will probably be debated throughout the course of the season

5th-year seniors 1
Seniors 0
Juniors 3
Sophomores 6
Freshmen 3



Or how about this - here is the breakdown of offensive yards by class.

Freshmen - 1407 yds
Sophomores - 815
Juniors - 185
Seniors - 124
5th Years - 327

that was cumulative up to right before the Navy game. I couldn't find after that, but i can guarantee you that they were similar.
Now can you really tell me this wasn't an underclassmen dominated team.

And once again, why is it that noone will answer the question about how successful they think a team that relied that heavily on underclassman should be?

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