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OT: Notre Dame Football billboard; Worth a chuckle
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BoilerVision Sep 4 2009, 05:21 PM Post #121
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And once again, why is it that noone will answer the question about how successful they think a team that relied that heavily on underclassman should be?
Your question was already answered. See 1998 Purdue team. 8-4, with a top 5 win, and younger than the '07 Gomers.
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Competitive against the boilers? their 3-9 year? what game were you watching.


Purdue laid the fuck down the whole second half and still won easily. I was in the stands, it wasn't a game.

Had you been drinking at the game?

ND out-gained Purdue in the game, TOP was similar, they were only down a touchdown with 7 minutes to go, and Evan Sharpley trew an INT in the end zone with about 2 minutes left after driving down the field to try to bring it back within a touchdown.
I would say that is competitive.
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And once again, why is it that noone will answer the question about how successful they think a team that relied that heavily on underclassman should be?
Your question was already answered. See 1998 Purdue team. 8-4, with a top 5 win, and younger than the '07 Gomers.
I guess i didn't address this last night. According to a depth chart i say 9 out of 11 starters on defense on that team were upperclassmen, and about half the starters on d-fense where. I believe is was something like 15 out of 22 starters were upperclassmen. That isn't exactly as young as ND in 07.

ANd that doesn't really answer the question anyway. Would you have expected a team as young as they supposedly were to have went 8-4? Considering the pessimism surrounding this year, i doubt it.
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Notre Dame returned 30 letterman on that team. Four players were drafted immediately at the end of the 3-9 year...two in the second round, one in the third. Six starting seniors returned, not counting the kicker and punter.

It sure as heck wasn't the first Notre Dame team that had to play young players. They WERE the first one to ever start 0-4. They WERE the one that lost more games than any Notre Dame team in history. They WERE the first ND team to lose to Navy in 43 years (and at home, no less). They DID take five games to finally score a passing touchdown. They DID lose 38-0 to a Michigan team that was 0-2 with their most lopsided home loss ever (39-7 to Oregon) and a loss to a D 1AA school (Appalachian State).



returning lettermen?
How about this. I count 4 or 5 seniors (i forget how many games Crum started) that started a majority of games. That 5 out of 22. Tha's less than a uarter of the starters. On the two deep i count 20 out of 44 and i think a few of those missed some time time to injury.

YOu seem to like numbers though, how about these numbers

*courtesy Blue-Gray Sky
What can be expected from an offensive line that includes the following class distribution of scholarship linemen will probably be debated throughout the course of the season

5th-year seniors 1
Seniors 0
Juniors 3
Sophomores 6
Freshmen 3



Or how about this - here is the breakdown of offensive yards by class.

Freshmen - 1407 yds
Sophomores - 815
Juniors - 185
Seniors - 124
5th Years - 327

that was cumulative up to right before the Navy game. I couldn't find after that, but i can guarantee you that they were similar.
Now can you really tell me this wasn't an underclassmen dominated team.

And once again, why is it that noone will answer the question about how successful they think a team that relied that heavily on underclassman should be?

So for leadership you need more than 4 or 5 seniors STARTING the majority of games. Gotcha.
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So for leadership you need more than 4 or 5 seniors STARTING the majority of games. Gotcha.
No but it sure helps.

Way to completely disregard the rest of the facts presented though. I guess i can understand that as they clearly show a team dominated by its underclassmen - a fact you don't seem to want to admit.
That's cool - i can see avoidance seems to be your M.O.
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So for leadership you need more than 4 or 5 seniors STARTING the majority of games. Gotcha.
No but it sure helps.

Way to completely disregard the rest of the facts presented though. I guess i can understand that as they clearly show a team dominated by its underclassmen - a fact you don't seem to want to admit.
That's cool - i can see avoidance seems to be your M.O.
The had a majority of STARTERS that were younger, fine. But they had plenty of leadership on the team, and those underclassmen apparantly won the starting jobs, and they were who Weis recruited.

And if you still think 3-9 was ok, you've admitted that 6-6 is pretty pathetic when ur first top-10 class are juniors, so i fail to see why you defend that fat fuck.
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And if you still think 3-9 was ok, you've admitted that 6-6 is pretty pathetic when ur first top-10 class are juniors, so i fail to see why you defend that fat fuck.
Are you just skimming my posts?
I have said at least 3 times on this thread alone that 3-9 wasn't ok, and that they should have won more games. My point -once again - is that while it is clear that they underachieved in 2007, i don't think they underachieved to the level that all of you Purdue posters seem to think they did.

And i defend Weis because i think he gets a raw deal simply because of who he his and where he coaches.
I have said it before and i will say it again, he is a mediocre coach until he proves otherwise. But mediocre is all he is. In 4 seasons as a head coach he is 29-21 with 3 bowl appearences and 1 bowl win. I would hardly say that makes him a terrible coach. And while he came off as arrogant in his first couple of years at ND, off the field, from everything i have read and saw he is a genuinely good guy who cares deeply about his family and players. SO i don't really see where he deserves the amount of ridicule he receives.
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And if you still think 3-9 was ok, you've admitted that 6-6 is pretty pathetic when ur first top-10 class are juniors, so i fail to see why you defend that fat fuck.
Are you just skimming my posts?
I have said at least 3 times on this thread alone that 3-9 wasn't ok, and that they should have won more games. My point -once again - is that while it is clear that they underachieved in 2007, i don't think they underachieved to the level that all of you Purdue posters seem to think they did.

And i defend Weis because i think he gets a raw deal simply because of who he his and where he coaches.
I have said it before and i will say it again, he is a mediocre coach until he proves otherwise. But mediocre is all he is. In 4 seasons as a head coach he is 29-21 with 3 bowl appearences and 1 bowl win. I would hardly say that makes him a terrible coach. And while he came off as arrogant in his first couple of years at ND, off the field, from everything i have read and saw he is a genuinely good guy who cares deeply about his family and players. SO i don't really see where he deserves the amount of ridicule he receives.
What level of underachieving do you think the did......having 3 wins and getting blown out in every game except one.

and the three wins were against the bottom feeders of the world.

what level of underachievment is that?
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Well, if it helps the conversation the billboard has been taken down.
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Well, if it helps the conversation the billboard has been taken down.
Not surprising. According to Gomer officials, 9-15 never actually happened.
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And once again, why is it that noone will answer the question about how successful they think a team that relied that heavily on underclassman should be?
Your question was already answered. See 1998 Purdue team. 8-4, with a top 5 win, and younger than the '07 Gomers.
I guess i didn't address this last night. According to a depth chart i say 9 out of 11 starters on defense on that team were upperclassmen, and about half the starters on d-fense where. I believe is was something like 15 out of 22 starters were upperclassmen. That isn't exactly as young as ND in 07.

ANd that doesn't really answer the question anyway. Would you have expected a team as young as they supposedly were to have went 8-4? Considering the pessimism surrounding this year, i doubt it.
Maybe not 8-4, but at least .500, with maybe one or two blowout losses to be allowed.

And if they lost nine games with six or seven of those losses being complete massacres, Burke would very likely have been looking for a replacement.

The pessimism around this year's team involves the following things:

1) Team consists of leftovers from a 4-8 team.
2) Unproven head coach in his first season.

It's completely unrealistic that you are trying to (halfway) justify Weis' failure by comparing it to Purdue's current situation. When Hope's own recruits become sophomores, we will expect Purdue to compete.
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Competitive against the boilers? their 3-9 year? what game were you watching.


Purdue laid the fuck down the whole second half and still won easily. I was in the stands, it wasn't a game.

Had you been drinking at the game?

ND out-gained Purdue in the game, TOP was similar, they were only down a touchdown with 7 minutes to go, and Evan Sharpley trew an INT in the end zone with about 2 minutes left after driving down the field to try to bring it back within a touchdown.
I would say that is competitive.
Weren't the irish down 20-something to zip at the half? Purdue slept walked thru the second half and it still wasn't close at the end 33-19 is a full 2 TDs, sir

After the game they flew the moral victory banner, we're 0-5 but we "won" the seconf half against Purdue.
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Chuck should be fine...for Homer Holtz stated on Sportscenter this morning that the Gomers "will surprise Florida" in the national championship game.
I saw Holtz talk about it again the other day. I don't think he's being serious, he was laughing while he said it and so were the other analysts. Its still pretty lame.
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So, Hoosier, did you ever stop to consider why the Irish were that young? Seems like if Weis could develop players, they wouldn't have been. It says something when a bulk of high school players can come in and play over guys you've had to work with for two or three years.
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lol @ by far the largest thread is about ND
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