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Purdue/Oregon game thread
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Adams didn't even need to jump on the conversion, ball was at his face. If he keeps his feet it's good.

You can definitely see the difference with Hope at the helm. Joey had some bad mistakes that frankly cost us the game. But he didn't give up, seemed to have a lot of fire. Tough place to play.

Bottom line is.....different coach, better effort, but same old Purdue disappointment.
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Is joey better than Painter BG ? ;)
There is a reason that Painter started in front of Joey for 4 years.
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I knew this team was better than everybody made them out to be. That was our game for the taking, and unfortunately we gave it away with turnovers.

I like the direction this team is headed. We are scrappy, just like Hope is, and that is awesome. The chips will start falling our way, this was only the second game.

I'm proud of them for playing the way they did last night on the road in a hostile environment. Sure, there were mistakes made on offense and special teams at times, but the positives outweigh the negatives in my mind.

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I could not be more impressed with Joey Elliot. Hearing that a senior was going to start for the first time only because Siller got released made me think this guy is going to suck. He is extremely confident in the pocket, makes quick decisions and doesn't 2nd guess. He's not the most skilled guy in the world and the bad mistakes have got to be because he's still learning how to read defenses.

Of course the comparison with Painter has been made. Painter is much more talented than Elliot, but they also differ in personality. If Painter is an emotionless Manning type QB, Elliot is Jeff Garcia. It's not that one is better than the other, but the change in the huddle is probably refreshing for this current team.
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If Painter is an emotionless Manning type QB
I'm not even sure what that means, but I'll take the "emotionless" QB 10 out of 10 times if its Peyton Manning.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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If Painter is an emotionless Manning type QB
I'm not even sure what that means, but I'll take the "emotionless" QB 10 out of 10 times if its Peyton Manning.
Yer not sure what it means? Really?

It means they are calm and collected and no matter what the situation is, they never flinch. They never get too excited and they never get too low. Very even kiel. It wasn't a diss at all. You know I'm a Giants fan and Eli is the same way. I was just saying that Elliot takes a different approach. He's firery. Think Favre or Jeff Garcia (as I mentioned earlier). One approach is not better than the other, but I think the guys in the huddle really seem to respond to Joey Elliot and that may just be because it's a change from what they were used to with Curtis Painter.
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If Painter is an emotionless Manning type QB
I'm not even sure what that means, but I'll take the "emotionless" QB 10 out of 10 times if its Peyton Manning.
Yer not sure what it means? Really?

It means they are calm and collected and no matter what the situation is, they never flinch. They never get too excited and they never get too low. Very even kiel. It wasn't a diss at all. You know I'm a Giants fan and Eli is the same way. I was just saying that Elliot takes a different approach. He's firery. Think Favre or Jeff Garcia (as I mentioned earlier). One approach is not better than the other, but I think the guys in the huddle really seem to respond to Joey Elliot and that may just be because it's a change from what they were used to with Curtis Painter.
I just don't think the Manning comparison was very good. Peyton and Eli are as firery and competitive as they come, even if they don't always show it, and their teammates know that.

The difference between Joey Elliot this year to Curtis Painter last year is that the offensive line is good. If Curtis had this year's line and this year's running game, we'd have won 8 games easy last year.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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even if they don't always show it

This is what I'm talking about.

All players want to win and everyone knows that. I'm talking about demeanor on the field. It varies between Qbs. The Mannings are notorius for never showing too much emotion. Guys like Favre and Garcia wear their hearts on their sleeve. Painter has a Manning type demeanor and Elliot seems to wear his heart on his sleeve.
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If Painter is an emotionless Manning type QB
I'm not even sure what that means, but I'll take the "emotionless" QB 10 out of 10 times if its Peyton Manning.
Yer not sure what it means? Really?

It means they are calm and collected and no matter what the situation is, they never flinch. They never get too excited and they never get too low. Very even kiel. It wasn't a diss at all. You know I'm a Giants fan and Eli is the same way. I was just saying that Elliot takes a different approach. He's firery. Think Favre or Jeff Garcia (as I mentioned earlier). One approach is not better than the other, but I think the guys in the huddle really seem to respond to Joey Elliot and that may just be because it's a change from what they were used to with Curtis Painter.
I just don't think the Manning comparison was very good. Peyton and Eli are as firery and competitive as they come, even if they don't always show it, and their teammates know that.

The difference between Joey Elliot this year to Curtis Painter last year is that the offensive line is good. If Curtis had this year's line and this year's running game, we'd have won 8 games easy last year.
The comparisons are about onfield personalities, as dreach said.

I started it as a joke to BG. I certainly did not intend to start another Painter thing or hear ONCE AGAIN about the offensive line.
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If Painter is an emotionless Manning type QB
I'm not even sure what that means, but I'll take the "emotionless" QB 10 out of 10 times if its Peyton Manning.
Yer not sure what it means? Really?

It means they are calm and collected and no matter what the situation is, they never flinch. They never get too excited and they never get too low. Very even kiel. It wasn't a diss at all. You know I'm a Giants fan and Eli is the same way. I was just saying that Elliot takes a different approach. He's firery. Think Favre or Jeff Garcia (as I mentioned earlier). One approach is not better than the other, but I think the guys in the huddle really seem to respond to Joey Elliot and that may just be because it's a change from what they were used to with Curtis Painter.
I just don't think the Manning comparison was very good. Peyton and Eli are as firery and competitive as they come, even if they don't always show it, and their teammates know that.

The difference between Joey Elliot this year to Curtis Painter last year is that the offensive line is good. If Curtis had this year's line and this year's running game, we'd have won 8 games easy last year.
The comparisons are about onfield personalities, as dreach said.

I started it as a joke to BG. I certainly did not intend to start another Painter thing or hear ONCE AGAIN about the offensive line.
I agree Bob it was a joke. I wonder if Ralph really improved from last year or why he didn't play more last year. Ralph seems to have alot of heart and talent. We will see next week how Purdue recovers from a tough loss, in the past we have not responded well. A QB with leadership is very important. The Rose ball team was 8-3 and could have went 5-6. We won on a last second FG to beat Michigan, a big play to beat OSU and OT to beat Wisky. We also could have went 10-1. We gave away the games at ND and Penn St that year. leadership matters and this team seems to have it.
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The comparisons are about onfield personalities, as dreach said.

I started it as a joke to BG. I certainly did not intend to start another Painter thing or hear ONCE AGAIN about the offensive line.
Thanks. I certainly didn't think I was belittling Elliot or Painter in any way.
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I wonder if Ralph really improved from last year or why he didn't play more last year. Ralph seems to have alot of heart and talent.
Yes, he is really improved from last year. He was about 9 months removed from major knee surgery last year and was playing out of necessity.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I find it comical that Elliot handed Oregon 10 points in a game we lost by 2, and everybody is talking about his leadership abilities and how good he is. If Painter made those mistakes, he'd have been abused and people would be calling for his head.

I like Joey, but he deserves some blame for the loss.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I find it comical that Elliot handed Oregon 10 points in a game we lost by 2, and everybody is talking about his leadership abilities and how good he is. If Painter made those mistakes, he'd have been abused and people would be calling for his head.

I like Joey, but he deserves some blame for the loss.
It's one game. If he continues people will call for his head and you know it.

Of course he deserves blame for the loss, most of it actually. Nobody here said he didn't.

Just shut it down.
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I find it comical that Elliot handed Oregon 10 points in a game we lost by 2, and everybody is talking about his leadership abilities and how good he is. If Painter made those mistakes, he'd have been abused and people would be calling for his head.

I like Joey, but he deserves some blame for the loss.
It's one game. If he continues people will call for his head and you know it.

Of course he deserves blame for the loss, most of it actually. Nobody here said he didn't.

Just shut it down.
Well, thats actually two games. He threw 3 picks in the first game, and I believe all of them were when we were in a position to score.

I can pretty much guarantee that he won't face the same scrutiny that Painter did for 3 years from our fan base, especially last year when he was playing with next to nothing around him.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I find it comical that Elliot handed Oregon 10 points in a game we lost by 2, and everybody is talking about his leadership abilities and how good he is. If Painter made those mistakes, he'd have been abused and people would be calling for his head.

I like Joey, but he deserves some blame for the loss.
I think everybody is talking about how much better he is than expected. Not how great he is. I mentioned his mistakes and when you are seeing live defenses for the first time in 5 years, you are going to make those types of mistakes.

Painter gets more scrutiny because he was the star recruit, 4 year starter who everyone expected a lot from. The fact that his backup for 4 years who is playing for the first time is given more rope should be no surprise.
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