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DC Blindly defends Purdue Coaches; more accurate title
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Hope has the team playing with great effort in every game minus the NIU sandwich game. I don't think you can knock the effort in the Ore game and the ND game. The complete lack of discipline is a huge concern so far and silly mistakes have killed the team. Hope deserves credit for inspired play. He deserves ridicule for the lack of discipline. Offsides and illegal formations.motion is unacceptable on big downs. The fact that we are somewhat competitive really puts him under the microscope. We all could have accepted a beat down by ND and Ore because expectations were so low. The team has over performed from a competitive stand point while underachieving in a finishing a game standpoint. Purdue is a penalty/bounce of the ball away from being 3-1. Elliot has a lot of trouble with accuracy and decisions. The most important thing for the rest of the season is when we are 1-5 or 2-4 do we still compete. The season is lost from any hope of a bowl but if the effort stays high and we cut out mistakes we should be satisfied. The future could be bright but we have a lot of room to improve because so far we beat ourselves instead finding a way to win a game. I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
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I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
The guy has been coach for 4 games. Just saying.
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I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
The guy has been coach for 4 games. Just saying.
And in those games, we've outplayed expectations twice, about on par for expectations in one, and below in the other.

I don't think Hope is the problem at this point. In 2-3 years, if similar things are happening, then it'll be time to re-evaluate things.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
The guy has been coach for 4 games. Just saying.
Dreach,

I agree it has only been 4 games. He has Purdue playing with spirit but also has made numerous mistakes and allowed the team to play with a complete lack of discipline. Punching a NIU player is unacceptable jumping offsides on key downs is unacceptable, taunting after a big stop is unacceptable, that timeout was unacceptable.

Motivation and competitiveness a plus

Self control and decision making a big fat F

The upside is there because it is easier to clean up the mistakes than to get a team to play with heart. Losing 3 games by a combined 12 points really enrages the emotional side of a fan.
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I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
The guy has been coach for 4 games. Just saying.
And in those games, we've outplayed expectations twice, about on par for expectations in one, and below in the other.

I don't think Hope is the problem at this point. In 2-3 years, if similar things are happening, then it'll be time to re-evaluate things.
If there's one thing we've always agreed on Cam, it's when you evaluate a coach. I think we've both said when the coach's first recruiting class is in their senior year that you can really get a feel for where the team and the coach are headed. I know you've mentioned several times already about the Florida athletes Hope is bringing in and those kids ahven't even had a chance to hit the field yet. Combine an entirely new philosophy with the kind of talent Tiller left behind and it shoudl have been a surprise to no one that the team would struggle. This thread is way, WAY too early.
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I agree it has only been 4 games. He has Purdue playing with spirit but also has made numerous mistakes and allowed the team to play with a complete lack of discipline. Punching a NIU player is unacceptable jumping offsides on key downs is unacceptable, taunting after a big stop is unacceptable, that timeout was unacceptable.

Motivation and competitiveness a plus

Self control and decision making a big fat F

The upside is there because it is easier to clean up the mistakes than to get a team to play with heart. Losing 3 games by a combined 12 points really enrages the emotional side of a fan.
At what point do you hold the players accountable? Hope has been the head coach for less than a year, he's not a miracle worker. I think there was a lot more to clean up within the program than people realize, and it doesn't happen over night.

I'm still not sure why people are so upset over the TO. I'd rather ND score with 30 seconds left and at least a chance to tie than to have them score on the last play of the game.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
The guy has been coach for 4 games. Just saying.
And in those games, we've outplayed expectations twice, about on par for expectations in one, and below in the other.

I don't think Hope is the problem at this point. In 2-3 years, if similar things are happening, then it'll be time to re-evaluate things.
If there's one thing we've always agreed on Cam, it's when you evaluate a coach. I think we've both said when the coach's first recruiting class is in their senior year that you can really get a feel for where the team and the coach are headed. I know you've mentioned several times already about the Florida athletes Hope is bringing in and those kids ahven't even had a chance to hit the field yet. Combine an entirely new philosophy with the kind of talent Tiller left behind and it shoudl have been a surprise to no one that the team would struggle. This thread is way, WAY too early.
Absolutely agree with this post. It takes time, especially with what we have right now. We have a few very good football players, but just not enough all over the place to win against better teams at this point. I've been happy with 3 of the 4 showings so far.

We have two playmakers on offense (Bolden and Smith) and a 4 year backup QB who never threatened to take the job for 4 years on campus. Its going to be a struggle.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
The guy has been coach for 4 games. Just saying.
And in those games, we've outplayed expectations twice, about on par for expectations in one, and below in the other.

I don't think Hope is the problem at this point. In 2-3 years, if similar things are happening, then it'll be time to re-evaluate things.
If there's one thing we've always agreed on Cam, it's when you evaluate a coach. I think we've both said when the coach's first recruiting class is in their senior year that you can really get a feel for where the team and the coach are headed. I know you've mentioned several times already about the Florida athletes Hope is bringing in and those kids ahven't even had a chance to hit the field yet. Combine an entirely new philosophy with the kind of talent Tiller left behind and it shoudl have been a surprise to no one that the team would struggle. This thread is way, WAY too early.
Dreach,

Way to early. I am not calling for his head. I am pointing out the surprise level of competitiveness the team has is a double edged sword for Hope. If we got rolled by ND and Ore he would be better off. Fans understand the situation he took over but staying the games and having a shot at the win makes it frustrating to deal with. This team had potential that few expected. I go all homer and pick them each week but in reality expected Purdue to get rolled against ND and Ore. I was pleasantly surprised at the closeness of the games. That is the double edged sword part because the closeness amplifies the mistakes and plays on the emotion instead of reason with the fans. The sign of an inexperienced team is losing close games. I know we have some seniors playing but on O we do not have alot of experience at the skill positions. Purdue cleans up the mental errors we could have a bright future but the taste of what could have been is sickening. The Big 10(11) is down this year and a 3-1 record OOC could have set the stage for a bowl game. College football is as competitive from 6-60 as it has ever been. The difference in games is really whom makes the least mental errors. Purdue has made its share of them so far. Emotionally it just sucks 4 weeks into the season to know we have to wait till next year to hit the rest button. 4-4 in conference is a possibility so is 2-6. 4-4 puts us at 5-7 and a could have been season.
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I see what yer saying BG, but the fact that they have been competetive should breed nothing but optimism from you. Yeah it sucks to shoot yerself in the foot with mental errors and the like, but the fact that the team even has an opportunity to shoot itself in the foot means they are doing something right. Again, it's not just a new coach. It's a new philosophy in caoching, playing and recruiting. The whole program is going in a different direction. You just gotta give it time. You may not be pleased with some of the things the team has done (like punching another player) but to even mention pulling the plug on Hope already is just kinda crazy.
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I'd question any college coach who wears a whistle around his neck
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I agree it has only been 4 games. He has Purdue playing with spirit but also has made numerous mistakes and allowed the team to play with a complete lack of discipline. Punching a NIU player is unacceptable jumping offsides on key downs is unacceptable, taunting after a big stop is unacceptable, that timeout was unacceptable.

Motivation and competitiveness a plus

Self control and decision making a big fat F

The upside is there because it is easier to clean up the mistakes than to get a team to play with heart. Losing 3 games by a combined 12 points really enrages the emotional side of a fan.
At what point do you hold the players accountable? Hope has been the head coach for less than a year, he's not a miracle worker. I think there was a lot more to clean up within the program than people realize, and it doesn't happen over night.

I'm still not sure why people are so upset over the TO. I'd rather ND score with 30 seconds left and at least a chance to tie than to have them score on the last play of the game.
I thought that TO showed a lack of confidence in the D. You only take that timeout if you think they are going to score...
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maybe his whistle broke so he used a TO?
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I see what yer saying BG, but the fact that they have been competetive should breed nothing but optimism from you. Yeah it sucks to shoot yerself in the foot with mental errors and the like, but the fact that the team even has an opportunity to shoot itself in the foot means they are doing something right. Again, it's not just a new coach. It's a new philosophy in caoching, playing and recruiting. The whole program is going in a different direction. You just gotta give it time. You may not be pleased with some of the things the team has done (like punching another player) but to even mention pulling the plug on Hope already is just kinda crazy.
Agreed. I like the intensity and some of the new looks on offense and defense (we can actually stop some running plays for once). Up until last week, we only had 69 yards in penalties, which is a good sign for a new coaching staff and its first 3 games.

There is a lot to fix, no doubt, but there is also a lot of positive to focus on. To be honest, if we had an experienced QB this year a lot of these problems go away. Wait 2 or so years and this will be a good football team.

It will be a tough go rest of this year, no doubt and no surprise to all of us. But, its a rebuilding process that takes time. Good recruits are coming in and when they (coordinators and coaches) get used to playing/coaching together for more than a spring/summer good things will happen.
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I agree it has only been 4 games. He has Purdue playing with spirit but also has made numerous mistakes and allowed the team to play with a complete lack of discipline. Punching a NIU player is unacceptable jumping offsides on key downs is unacceptable, taunting after a big stop is unacceptable, that timeout was unacceptable.

Motivation and competitiveness a plus

Self control and decision making a big fat F

The upside is there because it is easier to clean up the mistakes than to get a team to play with heart. Losing 3 games by a combined 12 points really enrages the emotional side of a fan.
At what point do you hold the players accountable? Hope has been the head coach for less than a year, he's not a miracle worker. I think there was a lot more to clean up within the program than people realize, and it doesn't happen over night.

I'm still not sure why people are so upset over the TO. I'd rather ND score with 30 seconds left and at least a chance to tie than to have them score on the last play of the game.

How did I know you would take that side of the argument on the TO.

I'd rather they didn't score, which would have been more likely without the TO.
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