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DC Blindly defends Purdue Coaches; more accurate title
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dreachon Sep 30 2009, 08:43 AM Post #136
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If our coach would ever coach like some of you (hoping for the other team to mess up), then I'd immediately call for his head.
It's not just hoping the other team messes up. It's showing faith in your defense to make a play with the increased liklihood that the other team messes up. The fact that the other team might mess up is only a bonus.

When you are hoping to drive down the field in 25 seconds, aren't you also hoping other team messes up too? I mean they'd probably need to have a breakdown in coverage, poor tackling, poor kick coverage, bad sideline management, etc. to let Purdue drive 60 yards in 2 or 3 plays.

Keep in mind that the defenses job gets easier as a team gets closer to the goaline. With such little field to work with and all those bodies cramped together it really limits their playbook.
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BoilerBasketball2008 Sep 30 2009, 08:46 AM Post #137
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4 games actually. Its a third of the season. Not much is going to change. And the numbers were nearly identical to last season.
That is a great page for statistics. Thanks for the link.

Where do you see the numbers are the same as last year? Last year it looks like Purdue's defense was 4th in the league only giving up a TD 51% of the time a team entered the red zone against them. That is a lot lower than 70%. In fact, last year there wasn't a single team in the league that gave up a 70% TD rate to other teams in the red zone. It's almost a guarantee that number is abnormally high and won't hold true for Purdue the rest of the season.


:rofl: :rofl:

that will teach me to blindly trust people's stats......this whole thread's theme seems to be blind trust.
Or just blind disapproval over a lost football game. The first time I looked at the stats, I used the number % on the site, forgetting that included FGs.

I'd love to see the TD% of when the ball is inside the 5 yard line. I'd be willing to bet its closer to 80% than 50%.

Its not blind trust. I've given you my reasoning behind, its not just "Coach knows best". I think the way the scenario played out, Hope made the right decision. If our coach would ever coach like some of you (hoping for the other team to mess up), then I'd immediately call for his head. Hell, all of you have completely overlooked my disapproval of the defensive playcalling (the opposite of coach knows best) all the way down the field, something that people should actually be upset about. And the fact that we didn't blitz on 3rd or 4th and goal, another playcalling mistake.
You like citing the 'inside the 5 yard line' stat, but don't even cite the 'already used up first and second down' stat.

thank you.

And for the record, I don't think that TO cost us the game. It just hurt our chances. In the end it was the on the defense. I'm not calling for Hope's head, I'm just gonna call a bad call when I see it.

And for the record not one damn person is for "hoping for a mistake." Everyone on here is for "trying to force them into a mistake"

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Ok, i don't have the time to read through the whole thread, but i thought i would add my two cents anyway. :P

I am going to go both ways a bit on this one. Weis said in his press conference, that if if the timeout is not called, the plan was to spike the ball, then go with the play that they ended up using on 4th down anyway. So, if they are going to spike the ball, there is going to be much less of a chance of procedural penalties like false starts, or illegal formations to help you out in that situation. They of course didn't know ND was going to spike the ball, so i can kind of see their thought process in letting the defense regroup - not saying i agree with it, just that i can see their reasoning.
Now with that being said, i thought the timeout was a bad move. I was watching the game with my wife, my mom, and my sister, and i remember telling them that if ND gets two shots and scores on fourth down, Hope is going to look like a complete jackass.
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let me translate and summarize this entire thread:


DDUMS is a blind and delusional homer.
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A better summary:

Dcamden supports Hope's timeout...a handful of others don't. Each party repeated itself time and again for ten pages. Some of the "holier than UB" posters have resorted to name-calling to somehow prove their point.

Just read the first two pages and you have the whole thread.
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A better summary:

Dcamden supports Hope's timeout...a handful of others don't. Each party repeated itself time and again for ten pages. Some of the "holier than UB" posters have resorted to name-calling to somehow prove their point.

Just read the first two pages and you have the whole thread.
I think what's interesting is that nearly everyone supported using the timeouts earlier in order to save a lot more time should Purdue get the ball back and need to score. So why didn't that happen?
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A better summary:

Dcamden supports Hope's timeout...a handful of others don't. Each party repeated itself time and again for ten pages. Some of the "holier than UB" posters have resorted to name-calling to somehow prove their point.

Just read the first two pages and you have the whole thread.
I think what's interesting is that nearly everyone supported using the timeouts earlier in order to save a lot more time should Purdue get the ball back and need to score. So why didn't that happen?
That would have been even more acceptable. No idea
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A better summary:

Dcamden supports Hope's timeout...a handful of others don't. Each party repeated itself time and again for ten pages. Some of the "holier than UB" posters have resorted to name-calling to somehow prove their point.

Just read the first two pages and you have the whole thread.
name calling is very immature and childish
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"I'd love to see the TD% of when the ball is inside the 5 yard line. I'd be willing to bet its closer to 80% than 50%."

I'd also like to point out, it difficult to make a point on your hunches, better to stick with facts.
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If our coach would ever coach like some of you (hoping for the other team to mess up), then I'd immediately call for his head.
It's not just hoping the other team messes up. It's showing faith in your defense to make a play with the increased liklihood that the other team messes up. The fact that the other team might mess up is only a bonus.

When you are hoping to drive down the field in 25 seconds, aren't you also hoping other team messes up too? I mean they'd probably need to have a breakdown in coverage, poor tackling, poor kick coverage, bad sideline management, etc. to let Purdue drive 60 yards in 2 or 3 plays.

Keep in mind that the defenses job gets easier as a team gets closer to the goaline. With such little field to work with and all those bodies cramped together it really limits their playbook.
If Purdue was able to drive the ball 50 yards in thirty seconds, then he must have been counting on Notre Dame screwing up pretty badly.

By your logic, Purdue should have just taken their defense off the field on third down and let Notre Dame score even quicker.
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If our coach would ever coach like some of you (hoping for the other team to mess up), then I'd immediately call for his head.
It's not just hoping the other team messes up. It's showing faith in your defense to make a play with the increased liklihood that the other team messes up. The fact that the other team might mess up is only a bonus.

When you are hoping to drive down the field in 25 seconds, aren't you also hoping other team messes up too? I mean they'd probably need to have a breakdown in coverage, poor tackling, poor kick coverage, bad sideline management, etc. to let Purdue drive 60 yards in 2 or 3 plays.

Keep in mind that the defenses job gets easier as a team gets closer to the goaline. With such little field to work with and all those bodies cramped together it really limits their playbook.
If Purdue was able to drive the ball 50 yards in thirty seconds, then he must have been counting on Notre Dame screwing up pretty badly.

By your logic, Purdue should have just taken their defense off the field on third down and let Notre Dame score even quicker.
I'm insulted you called that thought process "logic"
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