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DC Blindly defends Purdue Coaches; more accurate title
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I have always been putting a positive spin on this coaching staff, recruiting, team play, etc this whole year. I really do believe they are working hard at developing a program (not just a team) and I like the efforts they are putting forth.

However, the T.O. infuriated me to the point I was screaming at the team. WTF!!!!!!???? It was the dumbest call I've seen them make all year
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A non event ? That has got to be the most stupid thing you've ever said here.

Lets not get carried away now :angel:
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A non event ? That has got to be the most stupid thing you've ever said here.

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DC,

In your eyes has a Purdue Coach ever made a bad decision??????

I am a loyal Boiler but when the coaches make mistakes they need to be called out.
They have made plenty, I don't think calling the TO there was a bad choice there, and I don't really think it had much effect on the game. ND was going to get two plays out of it regardless, may as well save some time in case they do in fact score.
Actually they wouldn't have had two plays. ND was lining up to spike it before we called the time out. Spiking it would have made it fourth down and they would have had one play.
I doubt they would have spiked it, and if you are Hope, you can't wait for that. You make a decision, and stick with it. How in the world could he have known that they were going to spike it there? He told the ref to call the TO before the 2nd down play.
I'm not expecting omnipotence from Hope. But the fact remains they were lining up to spike it. They wouldn't have had "two plays regardless"

And if he was truly concerned about time, you start calling timeouts way before that, like everyone else has said.

The ONLY reason to call timeout when he did, is if you see that you have some huge matchup problem on defense and need a substitution, etc.
Purdue only had 2 TOs. Once its obvious that ND is going to score (inside the 5 with 2 plays to score), you use a TO to save time. Use one to save time, save the other for your offense. Seems pretty smart to me.

Like Hope said, once the running play was called, the TO was made. He made the decision to save time, and did the smart thing by letting the ref know so that the most time possible was saved. He couldn't predict the future that Weis was going to make a horrible decision by spiking the ball on 3rd down with 38 seconds left.

I don't think it was the difference in the game, and is a pretty non-event to me. The whole drive before that was pathetic, as was the two defensive play calls on the last two plays.
Why was it 'obvious they were going to score'? Their first play went nowhere, so you were one stop (or one slip, one dropped pass, or one bad throw) from stopping them.

This is the thing: the timeout allowed them to run whatever they wanted to on third down. It gave them time to call two plays in the huddle...if they wanted to they could have called a run on third down and still had time to line up for a fourth down play.
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DC is a good guy. He just for some reason is a yes man or party line guy when it comes to supporting things Purdue does. I never mentioned it but the timeout was not the worse call Purdue made last week it was letting Bill Ayers on campus. I am sure DC would even defend letting a terrorist on campus to speak.
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Yes, I'm all about terrorists having speeches at Purdue as long as the University is happy with it. You got me.

Go back to your conspiracy theories of Kramer not getting along with any of the black players on the team and Ryne Smith's inevitable transfer.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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DC,

In your eyes has a Purdue Coach ever made a bad decision??????

I am a loyal Boiler but when the coaches make mistakes they need to be called out.
They have made plenty, I don't think calling the TO there was a bad choice there, and I don't really think it had much effect on the game. ND was going to get two plays out of it regardless, may as well save some time in case they do in fact score.
Actually they wouldn't have had two plays. ND was lining up to spike it before we called the time out. Spiking it would have made it fourth down and they would have had one play.
I doubt they would have spiked it, and if you are Hope, you can't wait for that. You make a decision, and stick with it. How in the world could he have known that they were going to spike it there? He told the ref to call the TO before the 2nd down play.
I'm not expecting omnipotence from Hope. But the fact remains they were lining up to spike it. They wouldn't have had "two plays regardless"

And if he was truly concerned about time, you start calling timeouts way before that, like everyone else has said.

The ONLY reason to call timeout when he did, is if you see that you have some huge matchup problem on defense and need a substitution, etc.
Purdue only had 2 TOs. Once its obvious that ND is going to score (inside the 5 with 2 plays to score), you use a TO to save time. Use one to save time, save the other for your offense. Seems pretty smart to me.

Like Hope said, once the running play was called, the TO was made. He made the decision to save time, and did the smart thing by letting the ref know so that the most time possible was saved. He couldn't predict the future that Weis was going to make a horrible decision by spiking the ball on 3rd down with 38 seconds left.

I don't think it was the difference in the game, and is a pretty non-event to me. The whole drive before that was pathetic, as was the two defensive play calls on the last two plays.
Why was it 'obvious they were going to score'? Their first play went nowhere, which you were one stop (or one slip, one dropped pass, or one bad throw) from stopping them.
The odds of them scoring with 2 plays inside the 5 is very, very high, especially considering our defense isn't very good. As it turned out, Hope was right, they did score, and we at least had an opportunity to make something happen with the ball.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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DC,

In your eyes has a Purdue Coach ever made a bad decision??????

I am a loyal Boiler but when the coaches make mistakes they need to be called out.
They have made plenty, I don't think calling the TO there was a bad choice there, and I don't really think it had much effect on the game. ND was going to get two plays out of it regardless, may as well save some time in case they do in fact score.
Actually they wouldn't have had two plays. ND was lining up to spike it before we called the time out. Spiking it would have made it fourth down and they would have had one play.
I doubt they would have spiked it, and if you are Hope, you can't wait for that. You make a decision, and stick with it. How in the world could he have known that they were going to spike it there? He told the ref to call the TO before the 2nd down play.
I'm not expecting omnipotence from Hope. But the fact remains they were lining up to spike it. They wouldn't have had "two plays regardless"

And if he was truly concerned about time, you start calling timeouts way before that, like everyone else has said.

The ONLY reason to call timeout when he did, is if you see that you have some huge matchup problem on defense and need a substitution, etc.
Purdue only had 2 TOs. Once its obvious that ND is going to score (inside the 5 with 2 plays to score), you use a TO to save time. Use one to save time, save the other for your offense. Seems pretty smart to me.

Like Hope said, once the running play was called, the TO was made. He made the decision to save time, and did the smart thing by letting the ref know so that the most time possible was saved. He couldn't predict the future that Weis was going to make a horrible decision by spiking the ball on 3rd down with 38 seconds left.

I don't think it was the difference in the game, and is a pretty non-event to me. The whole drive before that was pathetic, as was the two defensive play calls on the last two plays.
Why was it 'obvious they were going to score'? Their first play went nowhere, which you were one stop (or one slip, one dropped pass, or one bad throw) from stopping them.
The odds of them scoring with 2 plays inside the 5 is very, very high, especially considering our defense isn't very good. As it turned out, Hope was right, they did score, and we at least had an opportunity to make something happen with the ball.
yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
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yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
There were 38 seconds left!!!! They didn't have to rush anything. Any team in the country can get off two plays in 38 seconds.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
There were 38 seconds left!!!! They didn't have to rush anything. Any team in the country can get off two plays in 38 seconds.
And how many teams can receive a kickoff, drive down the field and kick a field goal with 30 seconds left ?
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yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
There were 38 seconds left!!!! They didn't have to rush anything. Any team in the country can get off two plays in 38 seconds.
And how many teams can receive a kickoff, drive down the field and kick a field goal with 30 seconds left ?
KO return to the 30, two 15-20 yard passes, and a long attempt to tie.

Better than watching them score as time runs out IMO.

Do you think we stop them if we don't use the timeout? And do you think the timeout really increased their odds of scoring a whole lot?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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While I agree that the timeout was not a good decision, I don't see why all the emphasis is on that particular incident. It's like the '04 Wisconsin game when everyone was focused on the Orton fumble. The reason we lost the UW game is because we let them effortlessly march down the field and cut the 10 point deficit to three...setting up the Orton fumble/return. Same story for Saturday's game. We put ourselves in a bad situation by letting them effortlessly get the ball into the redzone before we tightened up the D.

Mistakes do happen and it's important to learn from them. But the best thing to do is to put yourself in a situation where a mistake doesn't cost you the game. I'm over the timeout. We'll never know who called it or exactly why. Bottom line is the timeout was only the surface of the problem...not the root.
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DC is a good guy. He just for some reason is a yes man or party line guy when it comes to supporting things Purdue does. I never mentioned it but the timeout was not the worse call Purdue made last week it was letting Bill Ayers on campus. I am sure DC would even defend letting a terrorist on campus to speak.
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Yes, I'm all about terrorists having speeches at Purdue as long as the University is happy with it. You got me.

Go back to your conspiracy theories of Kramer not getting along with any of the black players on the team and Ryne Smith's inevitable transfer.
DC,

I still stand by the statement that KG and Moore do not get along perfectly with Kramer. I don't think it has to do with skin color just the chemistry is off between them. I still see Smith leaving after this year. I admit I could be wrong on both just observations. You consistently defend coaches and players. if I ever get elected i will hire you because regardless of the scandal I am in I know you are loyal.
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yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
There were 38 seconds left!!!! They didn't have to rush anything. Any team in the country can get off two plays in 38 seconds.
And how many teams can receive a kickoff, drive down the field and kick a field goal with 30 seconds left ?
KO return to the 30, two 15-20 yard passes, and a long attempt to tie.

Better than watching them score as time runs out IMO.

Do you think we stop them if we don't use the timeout? And do you think the timeout really increased their odds of scoring a whole lot?
I don't need you to do the math for me dc. Just tell me, how many games are won that way ?

You scenario requires 3 stoppages of play. We had one TO. You think ND is going to give us 20 yard sideline patterns ? Or maybe our linemen can run up the field in 5 seconds on a completion in the middle........ 7 seconds a play and another 10 to run 20 yards and spike it.

You do the math.

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yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
There were 38 seconds left!!!! They didn't have to rush anything. Any team in the country can get off two plays in 38 seconds.
And how many teams can receive a kickoff, drive down the field and kick a field goal with 30 seconds left ?
KO return to the 30, two 15-20 yard passes, and a long attempt to tie.

Better than watching them score as time runs out IMO.

Do you think we stop them if we don't use the timeout? And do you think the timeout really increased their odds of scoring a whole lot?
I don't need you to do the math for me dc. Just tell me, how many games are won that way ?

You scenario requires 3 stoppages of play. We had one TO. You think ND is going to give us 20 yard sideline patterns ? Or maybe our linemen can run up the field in 5 seconds on a completion in the middle........ 7 seconds a play and another 10 to run 20 yards and spike it.

You do the math.

10 seconds a play? First down stops the clock. You can get out of bounds. And the timeout.

I like the scenario than relying on our not so good defense to get two stops inside the 5 as time is running out.

And although it didn't work out at all, we got a chance to win the game at the end when if we don't call a TO, ND more than likely scores with very little time left. I'll take that any day of the week over having no time at all.

Really, neither was ideal, as stopping them on that 3rd and 14 would have been much, much better. For whatever reason, we go to soft coverage when we played them fairly well in their base offense all game long.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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The Gomers had time to run two plays either way. I, for one, was calling bluff when their coaching staff was signalling a spike before the ball was even spotted with 36 seconds left. All they had to do was leave :01 on the clock after their third down play...doubtful that they would have wasted the play by spiking the ball.
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