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DC Blindly defends Purdue Coaches; more accurate title
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dçamden03 Sep 28 2009, 07:26 PM Post #61
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The Gomers had time to run two plays either way. I, for one, was calling bluff when their coaching staff was signalling a spike before the ball was even spotted with 36 seconds left. All they had to do was leave :01 on the clock after their third down play...doubtful that they would have wasted the play by spiking the ball.
No way they would have spiked the ball. It makes no sense and goes beyond any reasoning of thinking. I don't think Weis is a great coach, but he's not that dumb.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Bobobinc Sep 28 2009, 07:35 PM Post #62
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yeah, it was especially easy when they got the clock stopped between each play, so they had time to collect themselves before each play.
There were 38 seconds left!!!! They didn't have to rush anything. Any team in the country can get off two plays in 38 seconds.
And how many teams can receive a kickoff, drive down the field and kick a field goal with 30 seconds left ?
KO return to the 30, two 15-20 yard passes, and a long attempt to tie.

Better than watching them score as time runs out IMO.

Do you think we stop them if we don't use the timeout? And do you think the timeout really increased their odds of scoring a whole lot?
I don't need you to do the math for me dc. Just tell me, how many games are won that way ?

You scenario requires 3 stoppages of play. We had one TO. You think ND is going to give us 20 yard sideline patterns ? Or maybe our linemen can run up the field in 5 seconds on a completion in the middle........ 7 seconds a play and another 10 to run 20 yards and spike it.

You do the math.

10 seconds a play? First down stops the clock. You can get out of bounds. And the timeout.

I like the scenario than relying on our not so good defense to get two stops inside the 5 as time is running out.

And although it didn't work out at all, we got a chance to win the game at the end when if we don't call a TO, ND more than likely scores with very little time left. I'll take that any day of the week over having no time at all.

Really, neither was ideal, as stopping them on that 3rd and 14 would have been much, much better. For whatever reason, we go to soft coverage when we played them fairly well in their base offense all game long.
We're not going to solve anything. I just think assuming a TD is the wrong way to go and I think that's what Hope did. I like our percentages better trying to stop them from scoring than thinking we can drive the field in 30 seconds against a defense that had shut us down until the 4th.

I think we all agree that the soft coverages on the last drive were the real problem, and that came from the staff.
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Q. Yeah, he comes over and you guys were talking.
COACH WEIS: Well, he knew in his mind he was going to throw a touchdown pass, he just didn't know to whom. Actually when we ran the ball on 2nd down, if we didn't score we were going to clock it. We didn't have any timeouts left because we knew what play we were going to go to on 4th down. We were going to clock it and just spike the ball and put our personnel in and call the play on 4th down.
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Q. Yeah, he comes over and you guys were talking.
COACH WEIS: Well, he knew in his mind he was going to throw a touchdown pass, he just didn't know to whom. Actually when we ran the ball on 2nd down, if we didn't score we were going to clock it. We didn't have any timeouts left because we knew what play we were going to go to on 4th down. We were going to clock it and just spike the ball and put our personnel in and call the play on 4th down.
Couldn't be...dc said so.
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Q. Yeah, he comes over and you guys were talking.
COACH WEIS: Well, he knew in his mind he was going to throw a touchdown pass, he just didn't know to whom. Actually when we ran the ball on 2nd down, if we didn't score we were going to clock it. We didn't have any timeouts left because we knew what play we were going to go to on 4th down. We were going to clock it and just spike the ball and put our personnel in and call the play on 4th down.
Couldn't be...dc said so.
I'm beginning to understand why you call him the "UB of the IU side" even though I feel that is extreme.

The homerism and statement of opinions as fact, is pretty UBish.
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We can sit here and blame Hope all we want, i didnt like the TO call but i understand where he was coming from. The fact is we had a chance to win by stopping them on 4th down and we didnt do it. Thats why we lost not because we called a time-out.
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Boiler22,

My original point was that Hope keeping us in games hurts him more than if we got blown out. No one had a positive expectation for the season (I assume everyone knew my Outback prediction was a joke). We lose by 20 to ND no one is mad. Look at the prediction thread most predicted a loss. The team fighting until the end makes one play or moment so important. Hence the double edged sword. Hope motivates the team keeps us in games and we all get pissed. We lose by 20 everyone says it is his first season and an inexperienced team. That was the point. Then DC defends what was a bad decision.
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Boiler22,

My original point was that Hope keeping us in games hurts him more than if we got blown out. No one had a positive expectation for the season (I assume everyone knew my Outback prediction was a joke). We lose by 20 to ND no one is mad. Look at the prediction thread most predicted a loss. The team fighting until the end makes one play or moment so important. Hence the double edged sword. Hope motivates the team keeps us in games and we all get pissed. We lose by 20 everyone says it is his first season and an inexperienced team. That was the point. Then DC defends what was a bad decision.
I was talking about the 3 page bitch fest about the TO call. Like i said i would not have called the TO but im not the head coach. He had his reasons, i still would not have called the TO there. But the fact still is we had a chance to win the game and didnt do it.
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There is a person of interest that we haven't heard much from:

Hoosierinhogville - what are your thoughts on how the game ended? Do you feel like the TO gave them a significant advantage in scoring the last TD? And do you think Clausen was really going to spike the ball on third down, or was it a bluff to catch the defense off-guard?
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Q. Yeah, he comes over and you guys were talking.
COACH WEIS: Well, he knew in his mind he was going to throw a touchdown pass, he just didn't know to whom. Actually when we ran the ball on 2nd down, if we didn't score we were going to clock it. We didn't have any timeouts left because we knew what play we were going to go to on 4th down. We were going to clock it and just spike the ball and put our personnel in and call the play on 4th down.
Couldn't be...dc said so.
I'm beginning to understand why you call him the "UB of the IU side" even though I feel that is extreme.

The homerism and statement of opinions as fact, is pretty UBish.
It's spreading over to his thoughts on the Colts now as well.
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We're not going to solve anything. I just think assuming a TD is the wrong way to go and I think that's what Hope did. I like our percentages better trying to stop them from scoring than thinking we can drive the field in 30 seconds against a defense that had shut us down until the 4th.

I think we all agree that the soft coverages on the last drive were the real problem, and that came from the staff.
I completely agree that playing off the entire series is that what killed us. That was bad defensive calling.

Why wouldn't Hope assume a TD? Its inside the 5 with 3 plays (and we were going to call a timeout after the first play). Our percentages of stopping them in two plays is as low as it gets.

It may be easier to stop them than score in 30 seconds, but we were never actually going to stop them, so it is actually equal.

Thinking that we were actual going to stop them is near sighted and stupid IMO.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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DC,

Do you remember the 1999 game. Similar situation and ND shit the bed.
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DC,

Do you remember the 1999 game. Similar situation and ND shit the bed.
Those were complete different situations. If you think they were similar, then you are the dumbest football fan ever.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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DC,

Do you remember the 1999 game. Similar situation and ND shit the bed.
The '99 Gomers didn't have near the talent of this year's Gomers. Better coach, perhaps...but not near the talent disparity that we had in Saturday's game.
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DC,

Do you remember the 1999 game. Similar situation and ND shit the bed.
The '99 Gomers didn't have near the talent of this year's Gomers. Better coach, perhaps...but not near the talent disparity that we had in Saturday's game.
Really BV,

Davie has any clue of clock management to end the game and ND wins in the final seconds and Purdue goes 6-5. The game ended with ND fumbling the ball on 3rd down and never getting a play off on 4th down. Lets see what was it 32 seconds when we called the TO. I say best scenario if ND gets the play of after the run 22 seconds on the clock if Jimmy fumbles it and gets sacked what 5 seconds so 17 seconds and then they must mark the ball and call a play time runs out again because it is 4th down and ND can't clock it. If ND gets a play off it is rushed an not organized. Seems pretty similar because a hurt Jimmy rushing to call a play is best for Purdue but instead we call TO let them run a planned pay and then huddle up. In 1999 Davie screwed up in 2009 Hope screwed up. I agree the game is 60 minutes and two plays do not make a game. Everyone is overlooking the Off play we ran to end the game another sign of pure genius. We still had a TO so no need to start the Cal lateral experiment.

The 1999 team of the three Brees played on was the worst. 1998 and 2003 was record wise the two best teams under Tiller.
1997 6-2 in conf
The 1999 went 4-4 in conference
1998 9-4 6-2 in conf
2000 6-2 in conf
2003 9-4 6-2 in conf
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