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DC Blindly defends Purdue Coaches; more accurate title
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dçamden03 Sep 29 2009, 06:04 AM Post #76
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I say best scenario if ND gets the play of after the run 22 seconds on the clock if Jimmy fumbles it and gets sacked what 5 seconds so 17 seconds and then they must mark the ball and call a play time runs out again because it is 4th down and ND can't clock it. If ND gets a play off it is rushed an not organized. Seems pretty similar because a hurt Jimmy rushing to call a play is best for Purdue but instead we call TO let them run a planned pay and then huddle up. In 1999 Davie screwed up in 2009 Hope screwed up. I agree the game is 60 minutes and two plays do not make a game. Everyone is overlooking the Off play we ran to end the game another sign of pure genius. We still had a TO so no need to start the Cal lateral experiment.

So you are saying that the BEST CASE SCENARIO was that ND fumbles the ball and gets sacked? And I'm the homer that only goes along Purdue lines? Are you kidding me? It would have been 3rd and goal from inside the 5?!?!?! Clausen wouldn't have been running a rushed play, THERE WERE 38 SECONDS LEFT!!!! 38 seconds is an eternity to run a single play.

Thinking that the original play would have run the clock down is down right stupid, and then even if that happened, they would have had the same exact amount of time to run the second play, which we didn't stop.

Without the TD, ND scores with 10ish seconds. At least with the TO, we have a chance, albeit slim chance. Better than nothing IYAM.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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dçamden03 Sep 29 2009, 06:11 AM Post #77
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The 1999 team of the three Brees played on was the worst. 1998 and 2003 was record wise the two best teams under Tiller.
1997 6-2 in conf
The 1999 went 4-4 in conference
1998 9-4 6-2 in conf
2000 6-2 in conf
2003 9-4 6-2 in conf
The 2003 was by and far the best team of the Tiller era. Fluke loss to Bowling Green, an easy missed FG in regulation to lose to OSU, and an OT loss to UGA.

The UM loss was the only one that was legit. Absolutely pathetic.

I'll take that team 9 out of 10 times over the Rose Bowl team.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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We're not going to solve anything. I just think assuming a TD is the wrong way to go and I think that's what Hope did. I like our percentages better trying to stop them from scoring than thinking we can drive the field in 30 seconds against a defense that had shut us down until the 4th.

I think we all agree that the soft coverages on the last drive were the real problem, and that came from the staff.
I completely agree that playing off the entire series is that what killed us. That was bad defensive calling.

Why wouldn't Hope assume a TD? Its inside the 5 with 3 plays (and we were going to call a timeout after the first play). Our percentages of stopping them in two plays is as low as it gets.

It may be easier to stop them than score in 30 seconds, but we were never actually going to stop them, so it is actually equal.

Thinking that we were actual going to stop them is near sighted and stupid IMO.
We stopped them 3 straight times. I guess a 4th is out of the question.

I see goal line stands every week.

If Hope wanted to save time the time then start calling timeouts earlier. The TO was a panic move.
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The 1999 team of the three Brees played on was the worst. 1998 and 2003 was record wise the two best teams under Tiller.
1997 6-2 in conf
The 1999 went 4-4 in conference
1998 9-4 6-2 in conf
2000 6-2 in conf
2003 9-4 6-2 in conf
The 2003 was by and far the best team of the Tiller era. Fluke loss to Bowling Green, an easy missed FG in regulation to lose to OSU, and an OT loss to UGA.

The UM loss was the only one that was legit. Absolutely pathetic.

I'll take that team 9 out of 10 times over the Rose Bowl team.
whenever turdue loses in ANY sport its always a fluke according to their fans.

THAT is why everyone thinks your fanbase is a joke
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I say best scenario if ND gets the play of after the run 22 seconds on the clock if Jimmy fumbles it and gets sacked what 5 seconds so 17 seconds and then they must mark the ball and call a play time runs out again because it is 4th down and ND can't clock it. If ND gets a play off it is rushed an not organized. Seems pretty similar because a hurt Jimmy rushing to call a play is best for Purdue but instead we call TO let them run a planned pay and then huddle up. In 1999 Davie screwed up in 2009 Hope screwed up. I agree the game is 60 minutes and two plays do not make a game. Everyone is overlooking the Off play we ran to end the game another sign of pure genius. We still had a TO so no need to start the Cal lateral experiment.

So you are saying that the BEST CASE SCENARIO was that ND fumbles the ball and gets sacked? And I'm the homer that only goes along Purdue lines? Are you kidding me? It would have been 3rd and goal from inside the 5?!?!?! Clausen wouldn't have been running a rushed play, THERE WERE 38 SECONDS LEFT!!!! 38 seconds is an eternity to run a single play.

Thinking that the original play would have run the clock down is down right stupid, and then even if that happened, they would have had the same exact amount of time to run the second play, which we didn't stop.

Without the TD, ND scores with 10ish seconds. At least with the TO, we have a chance, albeit slim chance. Better than nothing IYAM.
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No you pig headed fuck. I am saying best case after the run (ND) gets a play off with 22 seconds to go. That is even if Jimmy spikes it. I then substituted what happened in 1999 in the mix to show you how it could have played out. Maybe if ND runs a play Jimmy trips or the snap is high. The pressure was on them to get to the line and get a play off. That is stress and increases the odds of a mistake.

Once again DC you are correct greatest TO call in the history of football. Hope is a genius because he called TO.
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We stopped them 3 straight times. I guess a 4th is out of the question.

I see goal line stands every week.

Not by defenses that give up 30 ppg to MAC teams.
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I say best scenario if ND gets the play of after the run 22 seconds on the clock if Jimmy fumbles it and gets sacked what 5 seconds so 17 seconds and then they must mark the ball and call a play time runs out again because it is 4th down and ND can't clock it. If ND gets a play off it is rushed an not organized. Seems pretty similar because a hurt Jimmy rushing to call a play is best for Purdue but instead we call TO let them run a planned pay and then huddle up. In 1999 Davie screwed up in 2009 Hope screwed up. I agree the game is 60 minutes and two plays do not make a game. Everyone is overlooking the Off play we ran to end the game another sign of pure genius. We still had a TO so no need to start the Cal lateral experiment.

So you are saying that the BEST CASE SCENARIO was that ND fumbles the ball and gets sacked? And I'm the homer that only goes along Purdue lines? Are you kidding me? It would have been 3rd and goal from inside the 5?!?!?! Clausen wouldn't have been running a rushed play, THERE WERE 38 SECONDS LEFT!!!! 38 seconds is an eternity to run a single play.

Thinking that the original play would have run the clock down is down right stupid, and then even if that happened, they would have had the same exact amount of time to run the second play, which we didn't stop.

Without the TD, ND scores with 10ish seconds. At least with the TO, we have a chance, albeit slim chance. Better than nothing IYAM.
DC,

No you pig headed fuck. I am saying best case after the run (ND) gets a play off with 22 seconds to go. That is even if Jimmy spikes it. I then substituted what happened in 1999 in the mix to show you how it could have played out. Maybe if ND runs a play Jimmy trips or the snap is high. The pressure was on them to get to the line and get a play off. That is stress and increases the odds of a mistake.

Once again DC you are correct greatest TO call in the history of football. Hope is a genius because he called TO.
Ahhh, resort to name calling. Very mature.


The play goes off with 22 seconds left, with a 5 yard field, the play will last less than 10 seconds. That means at the least there are 12 seconds left to run the last play. Another 7-10 seconds, and ND scores the game winning TD with 2-5 or so seconds left. We have to return the KO to win the game? And thats a better scenario than what Hope created?

So you wanted us to bank on ND making a mistake to end the game? Thats what we were supposed to play for? Clausen tripping or their center making a bad snap? The '99 game was great, but you can't bank on stuff like that happening.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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DC - I'm wondering what you feel is the percentage chance that ND would have scored from inside the 5 if Purdue wouldn't have called TO. You keep saying how low the chance was of Purdue stopping them and how a score was virtually guarenteed. Just wondering what you think that chance actually was. 75%? 80? 90%? 99%?
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DC - I'm wondering what you feel is the percentage chance that ND would have scored from inside the 5 if Purdue wouldn't have called TO. You keep saying how low the chance was of Purdue stopping them and how a score was virtually guarenteed. Just wondering what you think that chance actually was. 75%? 80? 90%? 99%?
Inside the 5 with our defense? Somewhere in the 80-90% range. They just marched down the field on us at will, what were we going to do to stop them?

Hell, I think we should have called a TO after the 3rd and 14 play. You can't just keep on letting them abuse us, we needed to get organized ourselves.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Just throwing it out there, you do know a TO last longer that the break with an incompletion. The TO allowed them to go to sidelines and plan for the next 2 plays. No TO and fat chuck has to at least hurry and call it from the sidelines. And that point in the game in made more sense to try to keep the the pressure on the offense and hope our D came through. Was it a small chance? yes. but it sure as fuck was higher than us scoring with 30 secs left.
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Just throwing it out there, you do know a TO last longer that the break with an incompletion. The TO allowed them to go to sidelines and plan for the next 2 plays. No TO and fat chuck has to at least hurry and call it from the sidelines. And that point in the game in made more sense to try to keep the the pressure on the offense and hope our D came through. Was it a small chance? yes. but it sure as fuck was higher than us scoring with 30 secs left.
The thought that ND had to be in a hurry makes no sense to me at all. There were 38 seconds left!!! Getting the call in and running a play with time left was not any hurry at all. They just abused us down the field, and you thought we had a chance to keep them from gaining 5 yards in two plays? Hope saw what was happening on the field, and planned ahead.

As Purdue fans, we should be more upset that we didn't send any pressure on either 3rd or 4th down play. That was an absolute mistake.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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WHATEVER!

Come on already guys, geez.

My instinct at the time it was called was WTF????????????? Just like everyone else's, but then again we are not D1 football coaches. So, it was a tough call to make, thats why they get paid the money they do. Did it affect the outcome? Maybe. Would I have preferred they didn't call it? Yes. Was it the right call to make? In hindsight, I'd say I understand why we called it but I still don't agree. But, then again, like I said, I am not a coach.

There are only 2 things that matter. First is, we lost. There is much to improve upon and much to build upon. All in all, I think we played a decent game but there is obvious room for improvement (both on the field and on the sideline). Second, this play is long gone, over. I assure you the staff and the team are dissecting it, along with the whole game, second by second and trying to learn from it. This is what we need at this point in time in the program.

As long as we still make forward progress in the development of this program then we should all be satisfied. Last time I checked, we sure as hell played a lot better against ND this year than last.
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I hope turdue signs Hopeless to a lifetime contract


Akers, Colleto and Burnett would be so proud
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I hope turdue signs Hopeless to a lifetime contract


Akers, Colleto and Burnett would be so proud
Careful what you wish for. You wished the same about Painter and he appears in good position to abuse IU for years to come.

And Colletto went on to coach the Gomers :rofl:
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