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DC Blindly defends Purdue Coaches; more accurate title
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dçamden03 Sep 29 2009, 11:33 PM Post #121
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"not much is going to change"

Do you not see that saying things like this makes u look naive?

How can you possibly know if the defense would improve or even get worse, after 4 outta 12 games.

I do enjoy your argument though "Everyone disagrees with me, but that's what coach did, so it must have been right"

As if Hope has proven anything at all yet.
Let's see, we return like 9 starters from last year's defense, and the stats in the red zone are nearly identical to last year.

And its not just coach did it. Its actually looking at the situation and forming my opinion. Its a lot better than "We lost, blame the head coach". And not everyone disagrees with me, just people on this board.

Hope has proven he knows a hell of a lot more about football and coaching than you or I or anyone else on this board.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BoilerBasketball2008 Sep 29 2009, 11:36 PM Post #122
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Sep 29 2009, 11:33 PM
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Sep 29 2009, 11:28 PM
"not much is going to change"

Do you not see that saying things like this makes u look naive?

How can you possibly know if the defense would improve or even get worse, after 4 outta 12 games.

I do enjoy your argument though "Everyone disagrees with me, but that's what coach did, so it must have been right"

As if Hope has proven anything at all yet.
Let's see, we return like 9 starters from last year's defense, and the stats in the red zone are nearly identical to last year.

And its not just coach did it. Its actually looking at the situation and forming my opinion. Its a lot better than "We lost, blame the head coach". And not everyone disagrees with me, just people on this board.

Hope has proven he knows a hell of a lot more about football and coaching than you or I or anyone else on this board.
So starters can't improve? get worse?

The Bears returned 10 starters on defense from the #2 defense in the league, and the next year were close to last. Things can change.

You seriously seem so blind sometimes.

That same defense gave up what? like 38? 45? points to ND last year. Gave up 24 this year? how does that fit into your logic?

And Hope hasn't proven a God Damn thing. Charlie Weis is a head coach, and a lot will argue that he doesn't know football too entirely well.

Just because he was the OL coach for Tiller for a few years, and coached some div 2 school and purdue offered him a job doesn't mean he's some football genius.

Some HS coaches could prolly out coach div 2 guys.






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dçamden03 Sep 29 2009, 11:42 PM Post #123
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So starters can't improve? get worse?

The Bears returned 10 starters on defense from the #2 defense in the league, and the next year were close to last. Things can change.

You seriously seem so blind sometimes.

That same defense gave up what? like 38? 45? points to ND last year. Gave up 24 this year? how does that fit into your logic?








About half of the game without Clausen, no Allen, no Floyd.

The defense gave up 31 to ND last year. Allen had 17 carries for 134 yards, Floyd caught 6 balls for 100 yards, and Clausen was 20-35 for 275 and 3 TDs.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BoilerBasketball2008 Sep 29 2009, 11:45 PM Post #124
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So starters can't improve? get worse?

The Bears returned 10 starters on defense from the #2 defense in the league, and the next year were close to last. Things can change.

You seriously seem so blind sometimes.

That same defense gave up what? like 38? 45? points to ND last year. Gave up 24 this year? how does that fit into your logic?








About half of the game without Clausen, no Allen, no Floyd.

The defense gave up 31 to ND last year. Allen had 17 carries for 134 yards, Floyd caught 6 balls for 100 yards, and Clausen was 20-35 for 275 and 3 TDs.
So were not going to address that players cant become better or worse during the course of a season or several seasons, gotcha.

So right now, our LBs are pretty young, so the next few years, we shouldn't expect any improvements on the LB front.
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Bobobinc Sep 29 2009, 11:51 PM Post #125
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This is good stuff guys.

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dreachon Sep 29 2009, 11:53 PM Post #126
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4 games actually. Its a third of the season. Not much is going to change. And the numbers were nearly identical to last season.
That is a great page for statistics. Thanks for the link.

Where do you see the numbers are the same as last year? Last year it looks like Purdue's defense was 4th in the league only giving up a TD 51% of the time a team entered the red zone against them. That is a lot lower than 70%. In fact, last year there wasn't a single team in the league that gave up a 70% TD rate to other teams in the red zone. It's almost a guarantee that number is abnormally high and won't hold true for Purdue the rest of the season.


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4 games actually. Its a third of the season. Not much is going to change. And the numbers were nearly identical to last season.
That is a great page for statistics. Thanks for the link.

Where do you see the numbers are the same as last year? Last year it looks like Purdue's defense was 4th in the league only giving up a TD 51% of the time a team entered the red zone against them. That is a lot lower than 70%. In fact, last year there wasn't a single team in the league that gave up a 70% TD rate to other teams in the red zone. It's almost a guarantee that number is abnormally high and won't hold true for Purdue the rest of the season.


:rofl: :rofl:

that will teach me to blindly trust people's stats......this whole thread's theme seems to be blind trust.
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dçamden03 Sep 30 2009, 03:06 AM Post #128
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4 games actually. Its a third of the season. Not much is going to change. And the numbers were nearly identical to last season.
That is a great page for statistics. Thanks for the link.

Where do you see the numbers are the same as last year? Last year it looks like Purdue's defense was 4th in the league only giving up a TD 51% of the time a team entered the red zone against them. That is a lot lower than 70%. In fact, last year there wasn't a single team in the league that gave up a 70% TD rate to other teams in the red zone. It's almost a guarantee that number is abnormally high and won't hold true for Purdue the rest of the season.


:rofl: :rofl:

that will teach me to blindly trust people's stats......this whole thread's theme seems to be blind trust.
Or just blind disapproval over a lost football game. The first time I looked at the stats, I used the number % on the site, forgetting that included FGs.

I'd love to see the TD% of when the ball is inside the 5 yard line. I'd be willing to bet its closer to 80% than 50%.

Its not blind trust. I've given you my reasoning behind, its not just "Coach knows best". I think the way the scenario played out, Hope made the right decision. If our coach would ever coach like some of you (hoping for the other team to mess up), then I'd immediately call for his head. Hell, all of you have completely overlooked my disapproval of the defensive playcalling (the opposite of coach knows best) all the way down the field, something that people should actually be upset about. And the fact that we didn't blitz on 3rd or 4th and goal, another playcalling mistake.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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brumdog44 Sep 30 2009, 06:41 AM Post #129
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4 games actually. Its a third of the season. Not much is going to change. And the numbers were nearly identical to last season.
That is a great page for statistics. Thanks for the link.

Where do you see the numbers are the same as last year? Last year it looks like Purdue's defense was 4th in the league only giving up a TD 51% of the time a team entered the red zone against them. That is a lot lower than 70%. In fact, last year there wasn't a single team in the league that gave up a 70% TD rate to other teams in the red zone. It's almost a guarantee that number is abnormally high and won't hold true for Purdue the rest of the season.


:rofl: :rofl:

that will teach me to blindly trust people's stats......this whole thread's theme seems to be blind trust.
Or just blind disapproval over a lost football game. The first time I looked at the stats, I used the number % on the site, forgetting that included FGs.

I'd love to see the TD% of when the ball is inside the 5 yard line. I'd be willing to bet its closer to 80% than 50%.

Its not blind trust. I've given you my reasoning behind, its not just "Coach knows best". I think the way the scenario played out, Hope made the right decision. If our coach would ever coach like some of you (hoping for the other team to mess up), then I'd immediately call for his head. Hell, all of you have completely overlooked my disapproval of the defensive playcalling (the opposite of coach knows best) all the way down the field, something that people should actually be upset about. And the fact that we didn't blitz on 3rd or 4th and goal, another playcalling mistake.
You like citing the 'inside the 5 yard line' stat, but don't even cite the 'already used up first and second down' stat.

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dcamden - why do you spend so much time explaining your opinion to people who don't respect it?
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dcamden - why do you spend so much time explaining your opinion to people who don't respect it?
same reason you do is my guess
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Purdue,

Hope has the team playing with great effort in every game minus the NIU sandwich game. I don't think you can knock the effort in the Ore game and the ND game. The complete lack of discipline is a huge concern so far and silly mistakes have killed the team. Hope deserves credit for inspired play. He deserves ridicule for the lack of discipline. Offsides and illegal formations.motion is unacceptable on big downs. The fact that we are somewhat competitive really puts him under the microscope. We all could have accepted a beat down by ND and Ore because expectations were so low. The team has over performed from a competitive stand point while underachieving in a finishing a game standpoint. Purdue is a penalty/bounce of the ball away from being 3-1. Elliot has a lot of trouble with accuracy and decisions. The most important thing for the rest of the season is when we are 1-5 or 2-4 do we still compete. The season is lost from any hope of a bowl but if the effort stays high and we cut out mistakes we should be satisfied. The future could be bright but we have a lot of room to improve because so far we beat ourselves instead finding a way to win a game. I am not ready to pull the plug on Hope just yet but to say I am pleased would be a great overstatement!!!!!
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dcamden - why do you spend so much time explaining your opinion to people who don't respect it?
same reason you do is my guess
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dcamden - why do you spend so much time explaining your opinion to people who don't respect it?
same reason you do is my guess
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Given that only one person on this entire board even reads GomerPixie's posts makes his opinion as invalid as anyone this side of Norm Ellenberger.
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dcamden - why do you spend so much time explaining your opinion to people who don't respect it?
same reason you do is my guess
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Given that only one person on this entire board even reads GomerPixie's posts makes his opinion as invalid as anyone this side of Norm Ellenberger.
says the guy who turned the top 5 defense into a HOF thread

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