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irishfan711722 Oct 2 2009, 01:44 PM Post #16
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They are a little better than two years ago. But I'm certainly not seeing where they're any better than last year. The Gomers beat Purdue and Michigan both by three scores last season. This year, they lost to a slightly improved UM team and barely beat a rebuilding Purdue team...along with a close win over what appears to be a poor-to-average MSU team.

A couple of last-minute wins over 1-3 teams does not merit progress.
LOL. a slightly better michigan team?

seriously, your delusional.
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Although this article was pretty bad and probably overestimates how good ND really is, I still don't get why people can't admit that ND has improved quite a bit since '07. That team was not good at all, and probably would 1-3 with this year's ND schedule to start the year.

Unfortunately, I think Floyd's injury is going to limit how good this year's offense could be, but it is still very good and I think will prove that if Allen and Clausen return to health. I still think Weis gets a little too cute with his playcalling, but that is a very good and talented offense. I think They have at least 5 NFLers playing on offense (and the best pro prospect out for the year). The defense is pretty much the same.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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"quite a bit since '07" is also a stretch. Put this year's team against the '07 schedule and you have a 2-2 team instead of 0-4. That's an improvement, but not by quite a bit.
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As for '08 to this year, no evidence of improvement at all.
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The '07 team lost its first 4 games by a combined score of 133 to 27, while only scoring two offensive TDs. They weren't just 0-4, they were an abysmal 0-4.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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As for '08 to this year, no evidence of improvement at all.
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Ah, yes. I had forgotten just how badly that team underachieved. But I was also very generous in saying this year's team could beat '07 Purdue and '07 MSU. It is significant progress, on second thought, but still none since last year.
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Ah, yes. I had forgotten just how badly that team underachieved. But I was also very generous in saying this year's team could beat '07 Purdue and '07 MSU. It is significant progress, on second thought, but still none since last year.
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Ah, yes. I had forgotten just how badly that team underachieved.
Underachieved? They were playing nearly all freshmen at the skill positions, and their line gave up somwhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 sacks. They just weren't good. Way too young.
And they didn't play Purdue until game 5 that year. Would their record have been significantly better? Probably not, but thats not the only indicator of progress. They lost the first 4 games by over 100 points. No way this year's team would have been beaten that bad. And those 4 teams had records of 7-6 GT (4-4 in the ACC), 9-4 Penn St. (4-4 in the B10), 9-4 Michigan (the year they lost to App St., 6-2 B10), and 7-6 MSU (3-5 in the B10). They were getting killed by average teams.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Ah, yes. I had forgotten just how badly that team underachieved.
Underachieved? They were playing nearly all freshmen at the skill positions, and their line gave up somwhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 sacks. They just weren't good. Way too young.
And they didn't play Purdue until game 5 that year. Would their record have been significantly better? Probably not, but thats not the only indicator of progress. They lost the first 4 games by over 100 points. No way this year's team would have been beaten that bad. And those 4 teams had records of 7-6 GT (4-4 in the ACC), 9-4 Penn St. (4-4 in the B10), 9-4 Michigan (the year they lost to App St., 6-2 B10), and 7-6 MSU (3-5 in the B10). They were getting killed by average teams.
We can now add Weis apologist to Calpari and Hope apologist to your resume.

Tom Crean, meanwhile, just sucks.
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Ah, yes. I had forgotten just how badly that team underachieved.
Underachieved? They were playing nearly all freshmen at the skill positions, and their line gave up somwhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 sacks. They just weren't good. Way too young.
And they didn't play Purdue until game 5 that year. Would their record have been significantly better? Probably not, but thats not the only indicator of progress. They lost the first 4 games by over 100 points. No way this year's team would have been beaten that bad. And those 4 teams had records of 7-6 GT (4-4 in the ACC), 9-4 Penn St. (4-4 in the B10), 9-4 Michigan (the year they lost to App St., 6-2 B10), and 7-6 MSU (3-5 in the B10). They were getting killed by average teams.
We can now add Weis apologist to Calpari and Hope apologist to your resume.

Tom Crean, meanwhile, just sucks.
not to stick up for dan, but where did he mention weis in that post. of course when we get 2 delusional ND bashers in the same thread, they ses what they want to see
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ND is clearly better this year than last. Not sure how that's even debatable.

Unfortunately for them, they have people like Holtz getting fans to think they have a shot at a national title, when they just aren't there yet.
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Ah, yes. I had forgotten just how badly that team underachieved.
Underachieved? They were playing nearly all freshmen at the skill positions, and their line gave up somwhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 sacks. They just weren't good. Way too young.
And they didn't play Purdue until game 5 that year. Would their record have been significantly better? Probably not, but thats not the only indicator of progress. They lost the first 4 games by over 100 points. No way this year's team would have been beaten that bad. And those 4 teams had records of 7-6 GT (4-4 in the ACC), 9-4 Penn St. (4-4 in the B10), 9-4 Michigan (the year they lost to App St., 6-2 B10), and 7-6 MSU (3-5 in the B10). They were getting killed by average teams.
We can now add Weis apologist to Calpari and Hope apologist to your resume.

Tom Crean, meanwhile, just sucks.
Because I said that this year's ND team is way better than the '07 team that won 3 games and was getting absolutely killed in most losses? I dislike ND as much as anyone, and don't enjoy them winning and actually root against them every week. But I'm not going to let that blind me.

And when did I say Tom Crean sucks?
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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This thread has taken a rather interesting turn.
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ND is clearly better this year than last. Not sure how that's even debatable.

Really? How do you figure? Two close wins over poor-to-average teams, and a loss to UM who got taken to the final minute by IU.

Two possible scenarios:

1) Purdue, Michigan, and IU have all gotten much better, while the Gomers have remained status qua, or

2) The Gomers have taken a step back.

Or a combination of both. Neither scenario indicates an improved Gomer team.
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