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| BoilerVision | Oct 2 2009, 07:48 PM Post #31 |
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Underachieved. If these were middle-of-the-road freshmen and sophomores, the youth excuse would be more valid. But this was three consecutive top five recruiting classes. |
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| irishfan711722 | Oct 2 2009, 07:51 PM Post #32 |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 2 2009, 10:08 PM Post #33 |
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Navy 46, Notre Dame 44 in South Bend. Air Force 41, Notre Dame 24 in South Bend. And these were week 8 and 9 games...more than enough time to show seasonal improvement. |
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| hoosierinhogville | Oct 2 2009, 10:14 PM Post #34 |
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Actually Clausen's class - which were freshman that year - was top 5. The class before that i am not sure was. Perhaps one service ranked it top 5 and the other top 10. The class before that was somewhere in the 20's. So, as Irishfan said - clueless. Also, when you simply try to connect the dots between teams by saying "team X has 3 close games, and team Y has 3 close games and team Z beat team Y" to prove your point, without addressing a teams specific units and how they have regressed or stayed static, you are showing your obvious lack of knowledge. |
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| hoosierinhogville | Oct 2 2009, 10:16 PM Post #35 |
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Who was talking seasonal improvement? BV is arguing that ND hasn't improved over where they were in 2007. |
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| irishfan711722 | Oct 2 2009, 10:22 PM Post #36 |
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what the hell you talking about? they were 3-9 that year. awful and that bad team navy went 8-4 in the regular season. losing by 3 to utah in a bowl. pretty sure utah was prety good air force went 9-3. losing a bowl game to cal by 6 i men i realize you dont know a lot about college football, but the theory of service academies being bad is really a fallacy. you saw what a rebuilding navy team did with OSU this year but as stated, if you and the other ND basher cant see the improvement, i cant help ya |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 2 2009, 10:24 PM Post #37 |
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He was also saying that the 2007 team underachieved. If you don't believe that, then you've really set the bar for Weis pretty damn low. Hell, Crean won about 25% of his games with ALL new players. I don't think it was too much to ask for the Irish to win more than 3 games or at least not be so embarrasingly non-competitive in so many games. |
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| BoilerVision | Oct 2 2009, 10:58 PM Post #38 |
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Yes, I already admitted that I had forgotten just how badly they underachieved in '07...and that they did make improvement between '07 and '08. But I see no evidence of improvement since then. |
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| irishfan711722 | Oct 2 2009, 11:17 PM Post #39 |
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i will try and dumb it down for you the best i can their offense is scoring about 9 more points a game. going from 334 yrds a game to 455 yrads a game they had 9 TOs through 4 game lat year. 3 this year. one coming on hail mary at the end of the half now if you cant see i, i cant help you from here Edited by irishfan711722, Oct 2 2009, 11:18 PM.
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| brumdog44 | Oct 2 2009, 11:54 PM Post #40 |
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2008: First four games: 3-1, had scored 101 points and given up 58. 2009: First four games: 3-1, have scored 126 points and have given up 85. Net points in 2008: +43 Net points in 2009: +41 (35 of which came in a 35-0 win against a Nevada team that is now 0-3). So....yeah. Keep cherry picking your offense stats and ignore the defensive ones. BTW, the teams Notre Dame have played are now 5-10. The schedule is the same except for the first game....in 2008, they played San Diego State who went 2-10 overall. In 2009, they started with Nevada, who is now 0-3....so schedule is a push. Edited by brumdog44, Oct 2 2009, 11:56 PM.
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| BoilerVision | Oct 3 2009, 12:23 AM Post #41 |
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Wow. That's some mighty fine cherry pickin' by GomerPixie! |
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| irishfan711722 | Oct 3 2009, 12:24 AM Post #42 |
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i didnt include the points ND scored on defense last year in the offensive numbers. thats 14 poins. so no, i wasnt cherry picking. i watched the games so i know what went on. i didnt "cherry pick" stats. i am not even going to use being wihout a starting RB and top 5 WR in the country being out for a game. along with a QB out half a game, and the other half hobbling aeround if you truly think this team this year is the same as last year, you really are up there with homervision in football knowledge. take off you hate glasses and really look edit. they gave up 74 points last year in their 1st 4 games. not 58. i guess instead of cherry picking your stats, you misrepresent yours Edited by irishfan711722, Oct 3 2009, 12:28 AM.
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| brumdog44 | Oct 3 2009, 07:37 AM Post #43 |
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My bad on the total. So they were +27 on net points last year and +41 this year...with 35 of those points coming against a winless Nevada team. And if you don't think you were cherry picking stats by only pointing out the offensive numbers...then I ask you this: which team gave up more yards and points the first two weeks, the 2008 Irish or the 2009 Irish? Edited by brumdog44, Oct 3 2009, 07:39 AM.
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| Unbiased | Oct 3 2009, 01:08 PM Post #44 |
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nevermind ND has been crippled by key injuries thus far |
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| hoosierinhogville | Oct 3 2009, 01:38 PM Post #45 |
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So if they are +41 this year, and +27 last year that is improvement right? YOu said the schedule was a push, so the fact that 35 of those points came against Nevada is meaningless. |
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