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Purdue/NW game thread
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dçamden03 Oct 3 2009, 02:25 PM Post #76
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
Edited by dçamden03, Oct 3 2009, 02:33 PM.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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dçamden03 Oct 3 2009, 02:26 PM Post #77
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In Cam's defense, i am pretty sure he said they would only win about 4 games this year.
No no, let people play out their revisionist history, its fun.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BoilerVision Oct 3 2009, 02:27 PM Post #78
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Man that's tough. After the first couple games, i thought you guys might be better than expected.
Still a long ways to go with the program. Since Hope has no real history to go from, I'll give him a year or two to get what he wants in place before I judge or get too upset.

Through 5 games, I see two playmakers on offense (a third if Valentin wasn't a bonehead every other play), an average QB, an average OL, and a slightly above average D. That has all the makings of a team that will lose a lot of games like the ones we've lost.
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
But, but, but.....he's in that position and you're not, so what do you know?
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brumdog44 Oct 3 2009, 02:35 PM Post #80
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
Edited by brumdog44, Oct 3 2009, 02:35 PM.
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dçamden03 Oct 3 2009, 02:37 PM Post #81
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
No, he still knows more than you or I, or anyone who posts on this board.

Its comical that people say that stuff about coaches. "Hope hasn't shown me he knows shit". Yes, because he'd be a Division 1 head football coach without knowing shit.
Edited by dçamden03, Oct 3 2009, 02:39 PM.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Fine, even I will say it now.

It's a rebuilding year.
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
No, he still knows more than you or I, or anyone who posts on this board.

Its comical that people say that stuff about coaches. "Hope hasn't shown me he knows shit". Yes, because he'd be a Division 1 head football coach without knowing shit.
There is more to coaching than game management. Bill Lynch can recruit and seems to do a good job with handling his players....but, yeah, I think he play calls for shit.

Your stance is basically no one on this board should ever question any decision since 'we aren't in that position.' Well, fuck, WHY do we even have this board?
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dçamden03 Oct 3 2009, 02:46 PM Post #84
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Fine, even I will say it now.

It's a rebuilding year.
Its always been a rebuilding year, next year will probably be the same.

We can be competitive in our games, but if people want to our program to be one that wins 7-9 games a year, then the next two years are definitely rebuilding. We'll be lucky to win 9 combined.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BoilerVision Oct 3 2009, 02:48 PM Post #85
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Fine, even I will say it now.

It's a rebuilding year.
Rebuilding years are always painful to watch. One exception is the '97 team, when Tiller brought an offensive scheme that B10 coaches didn't initially take seriously, and took much of the league by storm.

We've known all along that wasn't going to happen this year. We don't have much talent, and we have virtually no experience at skill positions.
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Oct 3 2009, 02:23 PM
More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
No, he still knows more than you or I, or anyone who posts on this board.

Its comical that people say that stuff about coaches. "Hope hasn't shown me he knows shit". Yes, because he'd be a Division 1 head football coach without knowing shit.
He probably does know more about college football than myself, but that doesn't mean his decisions are always better than mine. The difference between a poor coach and a great coach is simply that one rarely makes better decisions than myself while the other almost always makes a better decision. There's nothing wrong with calling out a coach when they choose the wrong action.
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
No, he still knows more than you or I, or anyone who posts on this board.

Its comical that people say that stuff about coaches. "Hope hasn't shown me he knows shit". Yes, because he'd be a Division 1 head football coach without knowing shit.
There is more to coaching than game management. Bill Lynch can recruit and seems to do a good job with handling his players....but, yeah, I think he play calls for shit.

Your stance is basically no one on this board should ever question any decision since 'we aren't in that position.' Well, fuck, WHY do we even have this board?
Did you not see me question not calling a TO there? How about the screen play?

I question the coach plenty, I don't blindly question it when we lose just to bitch. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree. I tend to error on the side of agreeing because there is a reason they are college football coaches and I'm a college student, you are a HS teacher, bobo is a homebuilder, and UB is gay porn star.

Bill Lynch can recruit? Who knew. And Bill Lynch also doesn't call plays from what I know. Isn't the O coordinator Matt Canada?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Fine, even I will say it now.

It's a rebuilding year.
Rebuilding years are always painful to watch. One exception is the '97 team, when Tiller brought an offensive scheme that B10 coaches didn't initially take seriously, and took much of the league by storm.

We've known all along that wasn't going to happen this year. We don't have much talent, and we have virtually no experience at skill positions.
I still like what I see overall. Fix the stupid mistakes and develop some experience at the skill positions and this will be a decent program. Just the dumb mistakes like losing the turnovers is inexcusable. I don't necessarily fault our team as much as I give NW credit for ripping the ball away. Still, we can't let that happen. Take the stupid turnovers away and this team wins relatively easily.

Turnovers are a sign of an inexperienced team. All other aspects look good, and to be honest as much as the defense had their backs against the wall, again, they played rather exceptionally. You just can't ask them to play the whole damn game and come away with a win, no matter who you are.

Honestly next year may not be much better since we won't have an experienced QB. This may be a tough couple years to swallow until the staff gets some continuity of coaching together and we develop the skill positions.
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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
No, he still knows more than you or I, or anyone who posts on this board.

Its comical that people say that stuff about coaches. "Hope hasn't shown me he knows shit". Yes, because he'd be a Division 1 head football coach without knowing shit.
He probably does know more about college football than myself, but that doesn't mean his decisions are always better than mine. The difference between a poor coach and a great coach is simply that one rarely makes better decisions than myself while the other almost always makes a better decision. There's nothing wrong with calling out a coach when they choose the wrong action.
If you think a coach makes a poor decision, I'm fine with that. I enjoy the arguments back and forth regarding that. Hell, I loved the argument about the ND TO.

When did I say we shouldn't question decisions?

Saying that a D1 football coach doesn't know shit is stupid.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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More outstanding coaching at the end of the game.

Spike after a first down. Don't even go for the end zone on 2nd.
Did we have a TO there? If we did, probably should have used it there.

Edit: Yes, we did have a TO, and should have used it there. Gives you 4 shots at the end zone. And I absolutely hated the screen pass after the spike, dumb play call there.
So I guess the 'he's in a position that we aren't, so he knows more' only applies when you want it to.
No, he still knows more than you or I, or anyone who posts on this board.

Its comical that people say that stuff about coaches. "Hope hasn't shown me he knows shit". Yes, because he'd be a Division 1 head football coach without knowing shit.
He probably does know more about college football than myself, but that doesn't mean his decisions are always better than mine. The difference between a poor coach and a great coach is simply that one rarely makes better decisions than myself while the other almost always makes a better decision. There's nothing wrong with calling out a coach when they choose the wrong action.
If you think a coach makes a poor decision, I'm fine with that. I enjoy the arguments back and forth regarding that. Hell, I loved the argument about the ND TO.

When did I say we shouldn't question decisions?

Saying that a D1 football coach doesn't know shit is stupid.
Its one thing when the play calls are questionable and another when the kids don't execute. Overall I like Hope and his staffs playcalling. When you have few experienced playmakers even good calls look mediocre.

I give the staff an edge, they are motivating the kids to play hard and are calling the right plays, mostly. Just inexperience is showing now-its not the playcalling.
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