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Purdue is the 8th best basketball program of all time
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dreachon Oct 5 2009, 12:14 PM Post #1
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Ok. Sagarin did some rankings and he's got Purdue as the 8th best college basketball program EVER. What do you guys think?

Here's the article which has a link to the rankings.

I'll be honest. I think that's pretty high for Purdue. If I was the University though I'd take it and run with it. Put it in advertisements for season ticket sales and everything.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4531910
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Unbiased Oct 5 2009, 12:35 PM Post #2
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Ridiculous. Competely disagree.
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How do they figure the rankings. By decade they have us ranked like this:

40's 7th place
50's 30th place
60's 28th place
70's 10th place
80's 10th place
90's 11th place
00's 40th place


Those do not seem like the kind of numbers that would result in an 8th place finish.
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It looks as though the numbers value consistency and not necessarily title or Final Fours. With the exception of a few years Purdue has generally been a solid program, has a track record of winning seasons, and a large number of post season appearances.

That being said I don't agree with the assessment. I feel as though Purdue should be more in the 15-25 range rather than the Top 10. They need to mess with the weight of the statistics taken into account (i.e. more of an emphasis on post season success) to paint a more realistic picture.

And after reading Forde's article I realize that's exactly what is does... I guess I should of read the entire article instead of just looking at the rankings lol .
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It looks as though the numbers value consistency and not necessarily title or Final Fours. With the exception of a few years Purdue has generally been a solid program, has a track record of winning seasons, and a large number of post season appearances.

That being said I don't agree with the assessment. I feel as though Purdue should be more in the 15-25 range rather than the Top 10. They need to mess with the weight of the statistics taken into account (i.e. more of an emphasis on post season success) to paint a more realistic picture.

And after reading Forde's article I realize that's exactly what is does... I guess I should of read the entire article instead of just looking at the rankings lol .
Agreed. Maybe top 15, but not top ten.
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no national titles. only 2 final fours and none in the last 30 years.


top 30 at best
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no national titles. only 2 final fours and none in the last 30 29 years.


top 30 at best
I editted your post for accuracy. Top 25 seems reasonable to me.
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How do they figure the rankings. By decade they have us ranked like this:

40's 7th place
50's 30th place
60's 28th place
70's 10th place
80's 10th place
90's 11th place
00's 40th place


Those do not seem like the kind of numbers that would result in an 8th place finish.
Ohio State:

1940s: 8th
1950s: 25th
1960s: 4th
1970s: not in top 40
1980s: 22nd
1990s: not in top 40
2000s: 22nd

Ohio State is ranked one spot below Purdue....they have one less top ten finish and have finished outside of the top 40 twice, something Purdue hasn't done. When you are looking 7 decades of play, finishing outside of the thirty only once in a decade is going to generate a high ranking. Consistency gets rewarded in this type of rating...short term excellence does not.
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Ohio State is ranked one spot below Purdue....they have one less top ten finish and have finished outside of the top 40 twice, something Purdue hasn't done. When you are looking 7 decades of play, finishing outside of the thirty only once in a decade is going to generate a high ranking. Consistency gets rewarded in this type of rating...short term excellence does not.
I agree with what you seem to be implying: it's all in the eye of the beholder. The persons that set up these calculations wants to reward consistency.

I can agree that Purdue might be the eighth "most consistent" program in college basketball. But I also think that postseason accomplishments should carry a little more weight when comparing programs. Hence the reason we all (sans Homer) agree that Purdue should be around the 15-20 area.
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