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yawnzzz Oct 19 2009, 10:01 PM Post #76
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The U-19 team was a bunch of no-names? You do realize that Watford and Creek were eligible for that team and there were HS kids picked for the team?

Hayward is getting preseason All-American talk, so I'd say he's pretty far ahead of two players who have never played a collegiate basketball game and aren't exactly blue chip, sure fire stars.
I'm too lazy to look into it that much, but in the article I found on Hayward's performance, they discussed how good of competition he went up against by using Ralph Sampson III...

The same guy who averaged 6.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg in 20 mpg.... not bragging on Pritchard in the least, but he looked as good or better than Sampson this past year.
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The U-19 team was a bunch of no-names? You do realize that Watford and Creek were eligible for that team and there were HS kids picked for the team?

Hayward is getting preseason All-American talk, so I'd say he's pretty far ahead of two players who have never played a collegiate basketball game and aren't exactly blue chip, sure fire stars.
I'm too lazy to look into it that much, but in the article I found on Hayward's performance, they discussed how good of competition he went up against by using Ralph Sampson III...

The same guy who averaged 6.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg in 20 mpg.... not bragging on Pritchard in the least, but he looked as good or better than Sampson this past year.
i think he played pretty well on the road against O$U last year
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The U-19 team was a bunch of no-names? You do realize that Watford and Creek were eligible for that team and there were HS kids picked for the team?

Hayward is getting preseason All-American talk, so I'd say he's pretty far ahead of two players who have never played a collegiate basketball game and aren't exactly blue chip, sure fire stars.
I'm too lazy to look into it that much, but in the article I found on Hayward's performance, they discussed how good of competition he went up against by using Ralph Sampson III...

The same guy who averaged 6.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg in 20 mpg.... not bragging on Pritchard in the least, but he looked as good or better than Sampson this past year.
I'd say the talent level was pretty high. They were the first USA team to win the tournament since like 1991 or so. Ralph Sampson III has played a lot less minutes than Pritchard and was obviously a lot less of a part of Minnesota's offense.

That team had a lot more players than you'd imagine, probably just ones you don't know.

What makes you think Watford and Creek are better or as good as those players?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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yawnzzz Oct 19 2009, 10:40 PM Post #79
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What makes you think Watford and Creek are better or as good as those players?
Don't put words in my mouth. You said Hayward was leaps and bounds better than any of our players. I doubt that. He didn't 'dominate' the U-19 games like you seem to think. Looking at the stats, it looks like Tyshawn Taylor had the better line although it was pretty even between him, Hayward, and Trey Thompkins. None of which would I name to any of my All-American teams.

The U-19 team never seems to have stars play because they'd all rather spend time preparing for the NBA. I noticed a comment on the site while looking at the stats, "I just wonder why guys like PF/C Greg Monroe, PF/C Derrick Favors, SF Lance Stephenson, SG Xavier Henry, PG John Wall, PF John Henson, etc. all guys that are born in '90 and will be surefire lottery picks in next couple of drafts didn't come here to represent Team USA." Not sure on all their ages, but I'd say there's a lot of talent missing from those games.
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What makes you think Watford and Creek are better or as good as those players?
Don't put words in my mouth. You said Hayward was leaps and bounds better than any of our players. I doubt that. He didn't 'dominate' the U-19 games like you seem to think. Looking at the stats, it looks like Tyshawn Taylor had the better line although it was pretty even between him, Hayward, and Trey Thompkins. None of which would I name to any of my All-American teams.

The U-19 team never seems to have stars play because they'd all rather spend time preparing for the NBA. I noticed a comment on the site while looking at the stats, "I just wonder why guys like PF/C Greg Monroe, PF/C Derrick Favors, SF Lance Stephenson, SG Xavier Henry, PG John Wall, PF John Henson, etc. all guys that are born in '90 and will be surefire lottery picks in next couple of drafts didn't come here to represent Team USA." Not sure on all their ages, but I'd say there's a lot of talent missing from those games.
"Since 1991, the American teams at the under-19 world basketball championships have featured some of the biggest names in college basketball. Michael Beasley, Stephen Curry, Jonny Flynn, J.J. Redick, Deron Williams, Nick Collison, Steve Logan, Vince Carter and Stephon Marbury have all represented the United States in the championships, but to marginal success."

This team certainly had talent if they were doing something that these other teams couldn't. And stats aren't the only thing that matters. Hayward dominated the trials.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/luke_winn/06/18/hayward/index.html

Tryshawn Taylor, Trey Thompkins, and Hayward are all certainly much better than Watford and Creek at this point. Hard to argue otherwise, and I'm guessing an Indiana fan would be the only one with that opinion.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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"Since 1991, the American teams at the under-19 world basketball championships have featured some of the biggest names in college basketball. Michael Beasley, Stephen Curry, Jonny Flynn, J.J. Redick, Deron Williams, Nick Collison, Steve Logan, Vince Carter and Stephon Marbury have all represented the United States in the championships, but to marginal success."

This team certainly had talent if they were doing something that these other teams couldn't. And stats aren't the only thing that matters. Hayward dominated the trials.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/luke_winn/06/18/hayward/index.html

Tryshawn Taylor, Trey Thompkins, and Hayward are all certainly much better than Watford and Creek at this point. Hard to argue otherwise, and I'm guessing an Indiana fan would be the only one with that opinion.
Nice list... going back to Vince Carter and Stephen Marbury's day though? Who was on it this year that's a household name?

Now you're using the 'trials' to gauge him as well? So apparently dominating a scrimmage makes someone an All-American?

Look, apparently you're having fun twisting my argument, but I've never been arguing they're better or even as good as him. They've never played a college game, so I have no idea, but to assume that Hayward is 'leaps and bounds' better based on a scrimmage is ridiculous. Watford, Creek, and now Hayward have all been talked about as going PRO after 3-4 years. Hayward will be better starting this year because of his experience, but I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of Watford or Creek having a similar freshman year as he had.
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Oct 19 2009, 09:48 PM
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Oct 19 2009, 09:34 PM
howard is good.

but he isnt the best player on the team
Who would you say is?
Gordon Hayward.
I'd rather have Hayward than Howard, but Howard certainly is no slouch. Hayward is a more complete player and I love him going forward.

Howard, though, is the returning conference player of the year.
Where did I say that Howard was a slouch? I think he's a very good player, but I think Hayward is better.

You do understand by saying that one player is better than the other, I'm not putting down either player?
You really need to take some estrogen pills and get off your period. Are you trying to piss people off for no reason?
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