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David Williams may not come to IU
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dçamden03 Oct 27 2009, 12:46 AM Post #16
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I don't think playing time is a concern. Nothing has changed in regards to his roster spot/position since he committed.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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mongo Oct 27 2009, 08:24 AM Post #17
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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
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tAmazingHoosier Oct 27 2009, 10:17 AM Post #18
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I was being sarcastic as hell about the Duke, UNC, Kansas comment...

He won't get a better offer than IU. Why would you commit, if you aren't COMMITTED?!
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dedicatedIUfan Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM Post #19
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Here is what Kris Korman of ITH posted:

"Here’s what we know: Williams was not at Hoosier Hysteria and does not have an official visit to Bloomington scheduled. Neither Williams or his father has confirmed that he will sign with Indiana in November. Williams is not speaking to the media. And Indiana continues to recruit the 2010 class as evidenced by the recent offer to Will Sheehey and on-going courtship of Jelan Kendrick and Josh Selby."

I think he has know for quite some time and Crean now knows and that is why he offered to Sheehey.
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dçamden03 Oct 27 2009, 11:47 AM Post #20
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Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM
Here is what Kris Korman of ITH posted:

"Here’s what we know: Williams was not at Hoosier Hysteria and does not have an official visit to Bloomington scheduled. Neither Williams or his father has confirmed that he will sign with Indiana in November. Williams is not speaking to the media. And Indiana continues to recruit the 2010 class as evidenced by the recent offer to Will Sheehey and on-going courtship of Jelan Kendrick and Josh Selby."

I think he has know for quite some time and Crean now knows and that is why he offered to Sheehey.
IU still has an open scholarship for 2010, that's why Crean is continuing to recruit those players. Plus, Kendrick and Selby are probably Spring decisions, so more scholarships could be open due to transfer.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Unbiased Oct 27 2009, 04:46 PM Post #21
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williams will never play for IU
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brumdog44 Oct 27 2009, 10:33 PM Post #22
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Wow, you guys are really reaching.
I really don't see how his dad basically saying he doesn't know where his son will go to college is a reach to say he might not end up at IU.

In terms of tamazing's assertion that he took the SAT again in case he gets recruited by Kansas, Duke, or UNC....we all know that isn't happening. Most people consider him a bad signing for a 6-25 major conference team, he sure isn't even on their radar.

Boilerbasketball, you taking your SAT again is a little different...it was in the hopes of getting more scholarship money. Williams isn't going to get more scholarship money from IU since a basketball scholarship was already a free ride, so him retaking the SAT wouldn't affect him at IU.

And, Bob, I've been on record as saying I don't have a problem with Williams coming to IU as I don't think 13 blue chip players on scholarship are necessary. I'd much rather have a kid like Williams who seems to be a quality student than a jackass like we had in JaMarcus Ellis; I take marginal talent + quality human being over above average talent + head case any day. IU's already had too many of the latter with the last group Sampson brought in.
Yes Brum you are on the record and I agree with your stance on building a program.

This is one where you just have to trust Crean.
If he comes to IU, I'll be rooting for him. If not, fine.

But from an outside perspective, IU obviously doesn't have over the top talent, but what they do have is a number of swingman that most scouts are saying are better than Williams....and he followed up his commitment to IU with a very poor summer of AAU ball.
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brumdog44 Oct 27 2009, 10:37 PM Post #23
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I don't think playing time is a concern. Nothing has changed in regards to his roster spot/position since he committed.
As I mentioned before, he had a very poor summer. Additionally, IU signed another guy who would take time away from Williams in the same class (Oladipo).

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I don't think playing time is a concern. Nothing has changed in regards to his roster spot/position since he committed.
As I mentioned before, he had a very poor summer. Additionally, IU signed another guy who would take time away from Williams in the same class (Oladipo).

Or he played his normal game instead of impressing Crean at a workout. Crean was so impressed with his abilities that he recruited more guys to split up the minutes............that is a great plan.
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I don't think playing time is a concern. Nothing has changed in regards to his roster spot/position since he committed.
As I mentioned before, he had a very poor summer. Additionally, IU signed another guy who would take time away from Williams in the same class (Oladipo).

You think that the 6'4 180 Oldadipo was recruited to play the same position as the 6'6 200 Williams?

Did Williams have any different summer than he's had before? Did Oladipo have any different of a summer as he's had before?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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brumdog44 Oct 28 2009, 08:51 AM Post #26
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1. Seriously, you don't think a guy two inches shorter and twenty pounds lighter can play the same position as another guy?
Oladipo is listed as a shooting guard....a slasher more than a shooter. David Williams is probably going to be a swingman...so yes, there is a definite overlap ESPECIALLY in a system that will use three guards quite often.

I also didn't state that they did play the same position, but let me ask you this: if Lewis Jackson were to get hurt, who would pick up his minutes? Seems to me that the Boilers had a rotation of Moore/Jackson/Grant/Kramer for three spots; Grant, Moore, and Kramer are all going to pick up some minutes, and in no way, shape or form are Grant and Kramer point guards. There is a ripple effect....in the case of IU, Maurice Creek among others can easily shift between shooting guard/small forward.

2. "Browsing various scouting reports about Oladipo, he is currently on the fringe of being a consensus top 100 player in the nation and is rising because of a great summer."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/250536-scouting-report-and-video-of-recent-2010-iu-commit-victor-oladipo

Secondly, he broke his foot his at the end of his freshman year and didn't play any AAU ball. He showed continued improvement during summer ball the next two years, while Williams didn't. That's important because Williams was supposed to be a late bloomer...but it really has yet to be seen.
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Good article on Oladipo. I personal don't think Williams is coming to IU. I wouldn't be upset if he did, but there have been too many signs pointing to the fact that he won't be coming to IU. I personally like Sheehey. If Williams doesn't come, then our class could be Oladipo, Sheehey and either Selby or Kendrick.
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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
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From watching Victor Oladipo's videos, and talking to the guy, I like what I see and hear. His shot needs to develop, OH GOD EVIL SHOOT HIM DOWN HE ISN'T SHOOTING 75% FROM THE FIELD!!! But seriously, that can improve and will under good coaching.

Hes got a great attitude, he makes above average grades, and he is WITHOUT a DOUBT the best athlete out of the guards in his class. The dunks he can do as a junior in high school are Vince Carter like shit. Mad vertical. And you know he's just going to get stronger at IU.

What I like about him, is that hes got other players in his Dematha team that are great in his class, some even "rated higher". And he's good friends with Selby! Any time approached by it, he says he's doing what he can to get some of his boys on the squad.

I like the kid already, and if he hopefully is in it for a degree too, then we've got a pretty solid pickup on a 4 year guy.
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From watching Victor Oladipo's videos, and talking to the guy, I like what I see and hear. His shot needs to develop, OH GOD EVIL SHOOT HIM DOWN HE ISN'T SHOOTING 75% FROM THE FIELD!!! But seriously, that can improve and will under good coaching.

Hes got a great attitude, he makes above average grades, and he is WITHOUT a DOUBT the best athlete out of the guards in his class. The dunks he can do as a junior in high school are Vince Carter like shit. Mad vertical. And you know he's just going to get stronger at IU.

What I like about him, is that hes got other players in his Dematha team that are great in his class, some even "rated higher". And he's good friends with Selby! Any time approached by it, he says he's doing what he can to get some of his boys on the squad.

I like the kid already, and if he hopefully is in it for a degree too, then we've got a pretty solid pickup on a 4 year guy.
Definitely sounds like the caliber player we want at IU.
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