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David Williams may not come to IU
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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
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What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?
Compared to his other offers (zero I believe), IU was one he couldn't turn down.

Do you really want to get into the IU tradition stuff AGAIN?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU.

I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool.

As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.



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let's all call a spade a spade: the kid isn't good enough to play for IU. Turdue? probaby.
But not IU.


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What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?
Compared to his other offers (zero I believe), IU was one he couldn't turn down.

Do you really want to get into the IU tradition stuff AGAIN?
And the reason he had ZERO other offers is BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED THE FIRST ONE WHEN IT WAS GIVEN.

There were several BCS schools that had shown interest, including Clemson and Florida State. Surely you aren't daft enough to think that if IU hadn't offered that he wouldn't have received any other offers....especially from lower D1 schools.

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What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?
Compared to his other offers (zero I believe), IU was one he couldn't turn down.

Do you really want to get into the IU tradition stuff AGAIN?
And the reason he had ZERO other offers is BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED THE FIRST ONE WHEN IT WAS GIVEN.

There were several BCS schools that had shown interest, including Clemson and Florida State. Surely you aren't daft enough to think that if IU hadn't offered that he wouldn't have received any other offers....especially from lower D1 schools.

He may have gotten some lower D1 offers, but he played in a national level AAU program for years and was about to go into the summer before his senior year without a high D1 offer. IU was going to be the best he was going to get. Plus, he had a prior relationship with a current assistant coach.

So IU offers, and you expect him to wait around for Georgia Southern or Alabama A&M to offer?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU.

I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool.

As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.



Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana?

Let me ask you this: if you were given an opportunity to be a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond, what would you do? There's really no correct answer. But I can tell you that there are so many transfers from BCS basketball teams because players come into situations where they find that they can't hack being a fish smaller than they want to be. Nick Williams seems to be an example of that. So to me, if a kid reassesses the situation and believes he would be happier at a smaller school where he could be a more focal point, then so be it. Do I know this is the case with David Williams? No, of course it's just speculation. But I'm certainly not going to damn a high school kid for changing his mind....I'm not Bruce Weber.
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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU.

I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool.

As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.



Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana?
Ryne Smith will play at Purdue this year. Jeffrey Jordan was a walk-on, so I wouldn't expect him to get minutes. Malik Story played 17 minutes a game as a freshman.

Not every freshman goes to the school where they'll get 25 minutes a night. There are a lot of players (Ryne Smith being a great example) that will go to a college thats a good fit and they like and are willing to sit the bench for a year or two.

David Williams plays for a national level AAU team, and there were times when he wasn't even a starter on that team. I don't think being a small fish in a big pond is a problem with him.
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What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?
Compared to his other offers (zero I believe), IU was one he couldn't turn down.

Do you really want to get into the IU tradition stuff AGAIN?
And the reason he had ZERO other offers is BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED THE FIRST ONE WHEN IT WAS GIVEN.

There were several BCS schools that had shown interest, including Clemson and Florida State. Surely you aren't daft enough to think that if IU hadn't offered that he wouldn't have received any other offers....especially from lower D1 schools.

He may have gotten some lower D1 offers, but he played in a national level AAU program for years and was about to go into the summer before his senior year without a high D1 offer. IU was going to be the best he was going to get. Plus, he had a prior relationship with a current assistant coach.

So IU offers, and you expect him to wait around for Georgia Southern or Alabama A&M to offer?
Did I say I had a problem with him accepting the IU offer? What I said was that it's pretty daft to think other offers wouldn't have come in if he hadn't accepted.

And, again, you're using 'best offer' to mean the 'school in the best conference' to offer. 'Best offer' doesn't mean 'best situation.'

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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU.

I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool.

As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.



Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana?
Ryne Smith will play at Purdue this year. Jeffrey Jordan was a walk-on, so I wouldn't expect him to get minutes. Malik Story played 17 minutes a game as a freshman.

Not every freshman goes to the school where they'll get 25 minutes a night. There are a lot of players (Ryne Smith being a great example) that will go to a college thats a good fit and they like and are willing to sit the bench for a year or two.

David Williams plays for a national level AAU team, and there were times when he wasn't even a starter on that team. I don't think being a small fish in a big pond is a problem with him.
I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.

But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
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I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.

But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
Then why didn't he switch AAU teams if he was so upset with it?
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And, again, you're using 'best offer' to mean the 'school in the best conference' to offer. 'Best offer' doesn't mean 'best situation.'

Not really. The fact that McLeod is at IU is a large part to do with it being a good offer. Also, IU is a top notch university. Diverse student population, good academics, good athletics, nice campus, prior relationship with current assistant coach, and a roster that isn't exactly filled with HS AAs to where he'd never see the court.

“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU.

I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool.

As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.



Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana?

Let me ask you this: if you were given an opportunity to be a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond, what would you do? There's really no correct answer. But I can tell you that there are so many transfers from BCS basketball teams because players come into situations where they find that they can't hack being a fish smaller than they want to be. Nick Williams seems to be an example of that. So to me, if a kid reassesses the situation and believes he would be happier at a smaller school where he could be a more focal point, then so be it. Do I know this is the case with David Williams? No, of course it's just speculation. But I'm certainly not going to damn a high school kid for changing his mind....I'm not Bruce Weber.
Seeing the floor only at garbage time.

As you said, none of us know the truth and probably won't. I'm not trying to damn the kid either.

My point.......I think Crean/Mcleod have screwed this up from the beginning and should have known better. Who knows what will happen. Don't discount the possibility that IU is just giving this kid the cold shoulder, hoping he'll change his mind. The way his father is being wishy washy, that's a possibility. I don't believe Crean would pull the offer, but there are other ways to get out of the situation.

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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.

Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike.

Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more?
a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically?

Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused?

2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job.

Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU.

I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool.

As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.



Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana?

Let me ask you this: if you were given an opportunity to be a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond, what would you do? There's really no correct answer. But I can tell you that there are so many transfers from BCS basketball teams because players come into situations where they find that they can't hack being a fish smaller than they want to be. Nick Williams seems to be an example of that. So to me, if a kid reassesses the situation and believes he would be happier at a smaller school where he could be a more focal point, then so be it. Do I know this is the case with David Williams? No, of course it's just speculation. But I'm certainly not going to damn a high school kid for changing his mind....I'm not Bruce Weber.
Seeing the floor only at garbage time.

As you said, none of us know the truth and probably won't. I'm not trying to damn the kid either.

My point.......I think Crean/Mcleod have screwed this up from the beginning and should have known better. Who knows what will happen. Don't discount the possibility that IU is just giving this kid the cold shoulder, hoping he'll change his mind. The way his father is being wishy washy, that's a possibility. I don't believe Crean would pull the offer, but there are other ways to get out of the situation.

ERROR........The previous post sounds too much like something I've already said.......Creantologists ATTACK!!!!!!!!
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