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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.
Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike. Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more? a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically? Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused? 2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job. Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU. I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool. As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.
Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana? Let me ask you this: if you were given an opportunity to be a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond, what would you do? There's really no correct answer. But I can tell you that there are so many transfers from BCS basketball teams because players come into situations where they find that they can't hack being a fish smaller than they want to be. Nick Williams seems to be an example of that. So to me, if a kid reassesses the situation and believes he would be happier at a smaller school where he could be a more focal point, then so be it. Do I know this is the case with David Williams? No, of course it's just speculation. But I'm certainly not going to damn a high school kid for changing his mind....I'm not Bruce Weber.
Seeing the floor only at garbage time. As you said, none of us know the truth and probably won't. I'm not trying to damn the kid either. My point.......I think Crean/Mcleod have screwed this up from the beginning and should have known better. Who knows what will happen. Don't discount the possibility that IU is just giving this kid the cold shoulder, hoping he'll change his mind. The way his father is being wishy washy, that's a possibility. I don't believe Crean would pull the offer, but there are other ways to get out of the situation.
ERROR........The previous post sounds too much like something I've already said.......Creantologists ATTACK!!!!!!!!
They expect it from a Purdue fan. But you..........well, you're just a fucking low life traitor.
Keep up the good work !!!!!
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Oct 28 2009, 03:39 PM
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dcam...he clearly was not happy with the AAU situation. Here is a quote from his dad, Dwight, in the story, which you clearly did not read...
“We weren’t happy with the AAU situation,” Dwight said. “It didn’t really market David the way we wanted. The Atlanta Celtics are a great organization, but it was just the situation."
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Oct 28 2009, 03:42 PM
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dcam...he clearly was not happy with the AAU situation. Here is a quote from his dad, Dwight, in the story, which you clearly did not read...
“We weren’t happy with the AAU situation,” Dwight said. “It didn’t really market David the way we wanted. The Atlanta Celtics are a great organization, but it was just the situation." Must have missed that, and I stand corrected.
I find it odd that they were so upset with it, yet were part of that organization for years and didn't switch teams. Weird.
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Oct 28 2009, 03:46 PM
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dcam...he clearly was not happy with the AAU situation. Here is a quote from his dad, Dwight, in the story, which you clearly did not read...
“We weren’t happy with the AAU situation,” Dwight said. “It didn’t really market David the way we wanted. The Atlanta Celtics are a great organization, but it was just the situation."
Must have missed that, and I stand corrected. I find it odd that they were so upset with it, yet were part of that organization for years and didn't switch teams. Weird. I got the impression from his father's quote that he would like to see David play a bigger role and expects him to be showcased as the leading scorer this year on his high school team.
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the kids no good.
he'll never play for iU. move on.
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Oct 28 2009, 04:17 PM
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the kids no good.
he'll never play for iU. move on. You've made your prediction quite clear.....many times.
Now STFU.
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Oct 28 2009, 08:26 PM
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I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.
But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
Then why didn't he switch AAU teams if he was so upset with it? In the middle of summer? LOL
If you are talking about why he wouldn't switch from one year to the next, don't ask me.....I don't know just like you don't know. Maybe he assumed that since he was a year older, he'd be getting more playing time than the year before (a reasonable assumption).
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dcam...he clearly was not happy with the AAU situation. Here is a quote from his dad, Dwight, in the story, which you clearly did not read...
“We weren’t happy with the AAU situation,” Dwight said. “It didn’t really market David the way we wanted. The Atlanta Celtics are a great organization, but it was just the situation."
Must have missed that, and I stand corrected. I find it odd that they were so upset with it, yet were part of that organization for years and didn't switch teams. Weird. Just read this and it kind of backs what I was saying.
Has anyone considered that it's NOT Crean/McLeod not giving Williams the 'cold shoulder,' but rather Williams and his dad are now asking for things that they aren't willing to promise him (i.e., playing time/role that he wants)?
Let's face it, his dad is talking the AAU team 'marketing' his kid....a two star player who probably was given a scholarship at a level that he hasn't shown he can play at. Sounds like dad is behind a lot of the decisions. And again, I don't blame the kid....if your dad is telling you every day that you should be a featured player on a major program, you're probably going to believe him.
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dcam...he clearly was not happy with the AAU situation. Here is a quote from his dad, Dwight, in the story, which you clearly did not read...
“We weren’t happy with the AAU situation,” Dwight said. “It didn’t really market David the way we wanted. The Atlanta Celtics are a great organization, but it was just the situation."
Must have missed that, and I stand corrected. I find it odd that they were so upset with it, yet were part of that organization for years and didn't switch teams. Weird.
Just read this and it kind of backs what I was saying. Has anyone considered that it's NOT Crean/McLeod not giving Williams the 'cold shoulder,' but rather Williams and his dad are now asking for things that they aren't willing to promise him (i.e., playing time/role that he wants)? Let's face it, his dad is talking the AAU team 'marketing' his kid....a two star player who probably was given a scholarship at a level that he hasn't shown he can play at. Sounds like dad is behind a lot of the decisions. And again, I don't blame the kid....if your dad is telling you every day that you should be a featured player on a major program, you're probably going to believe him. I can understand if it's a 5-star caliber player. But I don't a think a 2-star player would believe his dad saying he should be a featured player at a major program.
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Oct 28 2009, 08:59 PM
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dcam...he clearly was not happy with the AAU situation. Here is a quote from his dad, Dwight, in the story, which you clearly did not read...
“We weren’t happy with the AAU situation,” Dwight said. “It didn’t really market David the way we wanted. The Atlanta Celtics are a great organization, but it was just the situation."
Must have missed that, and I stand corrected. I find it odd that they were so upset with it, yet were part of that organization for years and didn't switch teams. Weird.
Just read this and it kind of backs what I was saying. Has anyone considered that it's NOT Crean/McLeod not giving Williams the 'cold shoulder,' but rather Williams and his dad are now asking for things that they aren't willing to promise him (i.e., playing time/role that he wants)? Let's face it, his dad is talking the AAU team 'marketing' his kid....a two star player who probably was given a scholarship at a level that he hasn't shown he can play at. Sounds like dad is behind a lot of the decisions. And again, I don't blame the kid....if your dad is telling you every day that you should be a featured player on a major program, you're probably going to believe him.
I can understand if it's a 5-star caliber player. But I don't a think a 2-star player would believe his dad saying he should be a featured player at a major program. Why not?.........Crean obviously thought more of him than just a '2 star player' during the early signing period.....otherwise why would he sign him so early. I doubt Crean thought to himself 'we've got to lock up this role player before anyone else signs him to sit on their bench'...........on second thought...........maybe he did say that...........to steal a line from Bill Simmons "I will now light myself on fire."
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Who the hell knows what his father means by those comments ? He's almost contradicting himself.
Brum, with all due respect, IU doesn't have the kind of talent......yet ?.......that would lead this kid to believe he wouldn't see the court. If he is the kind of kid that walks away from a challenge, what does that say about Crean's ability to evaluate recruits ?
I dont know what does Lewis Jackson tell you about Painter's ability to judge character? Stupid post on your part. Kids are just that: kids. They don't always know what they want and if he really is reconsidering he may be reevaluating whats best for himself.
What's better for him than IU ? I don't know, neither do you. But I guarantee there won't be any better offers coming down the pike. Crean hired Mcleod, this is one of Mcleod's boys. They make an offer that puzzled even the most die hard IU fan. If Williams walks away from IU, how can you not question what the kid is all about and how Crean/Mcleod made such a poor recruiting decision ?
1. Which is a better offer: a big time school where you sit the bench or a smaller school where you play more? a big time school or a small school that is a better match for what you want academically? Better is a relative term. I have to say that even in high school if I had had D1 talent, perceived playing time would have been huge for me. What I'm not getting here is the fact that there are Purdue fans saying that 'your banners are twenty years old, tradition doesn't really play a part when you haven't won anything in their lifetime,' but out of the other side of their mouth we now are some incredible offer that can't be refused? 2. Decommits happen pretty much everywhere. And unlike many homer fans, I don't expect perfection nor assume I could do a better job. Not sure where you are going with 'you can not question what the kid is all about.' Maybe the kid is about making the decision that is best for his life as opposed to sticking with a career altering decision made by a 16 year old just to stick with it.
I disagree with you basic premise....that Williams would sit the bench. Walkons would appear to be the only ones guaranteed to sit the bench at IU. I have gone on the record saying the banners do mean something, especially when the program is doing well. Their influence is less now, but still a valuable recruiting tool. As far as what the kid is all about........circumstances change and kids change their mind. But looking at it from the outside, it makes little sense for this kid to walk away from THE best offer he's probably going to get. It says something about him, or about IU, or about Crean/Mcleods evaluation of the kid......or all three.
Then we are simply going to disagree on the whole bench issue. And what is your definition of sitting the bench? Ryne Smith minutes at Purdue? Jeffrey Jordan minutes at Illinois? Malik Story minutes at Indiana? Let me ask you this: if you were given an opportunity to be a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond, what would you do? There's really no correct answer. But I can tell you that there are so many transfers from BCS basketball teams because players come into situations where they find that they can't hack being a fish smaller than they want to be. Nick Williams seems to be an example of that. So to me, if a kid reassesses the situation and believes he would be happier at a smaller school where he could be a more focal point, then so be it. Do I know this is the case with David Williams? No, of course it's just speculation. But I'm certainly not going to damn a high school kid for changing his mind....I'm not Bruce Weber.
Seeing the floor only at garbage time. As you said, none of us know the truth and probably won't. I'm not trying to damn the kid either. My point.......I think Crean/Mcleod have screwed this up from the beginning and should have known better. Who knows what will happen. Don't discount the possibility that IU is just giving this kid the cold shoulder, hoping he'll change his mind. The way his father is being wishy washy, that's a possibility. I don't believe Crean would pull the offer, but there are other ways to get out of the situation.
ERROR........The previous post sounds too much like something I've already said.......Creantologists ATTACK!!!!!!!!
They expect it from a Purdue fan. But you..........well, you're just a fucking low life traitor. Keep up the good work !!!!! I prefer rational non-delusional homer that calls it like he sees it. At first I thought you meant trader instead of traitor. I'd offer you a bucket of puke for some of your players, but then I realized my puke will probably end up scoring more points.
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I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.
But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
Then why didn't he switch AAU teams if he was so upset with it?
In the middle of summer? LOL Happens quite a bit.
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I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.
But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
Then why didn't he switch AAU teams if he was so upset with it?
In the middle of summer? LOL
Happens quite a bit. His dad has already said they weren't happy with the situation on the team. Whose word should we take on it...mine, yours, or his?
And Evil, the funny thing is that almost everyone was scratching their head at the signing of Williams. At best, people said that it was more to gain an in to the Atlanta Celtics pipeline than to get Williams. The difference is that most of us decided that putting Crean's head on a pole was a pretty stupid way to express ourselves.
I'm still waiting for you to link up the posts from people on this board that were thrilled with the signing. I imagine I'll be waiting for quite a while.
And it doesn't matter if Williams ends up at IU or not....Evil is going to bitch about it. Either it will be 'Crean recruited some two star nobody (whom if he plays well, Crean 'just got lucky') or Crean 'drove off another player.'
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I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.
But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
Then why didn't he switch AAU teams if he was so upset with it?
In the middle of summer? LOL
Happens quite a bit.
His dad has already said they weren't happy with the situation on the team. Whose word should we take on it...mine, yours, or his? And I said I was wrong about that.
But the capital letters lol at the thought of switching AAU teams during the summer isn't a very accurate statement. It happens quite often.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."
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I don't think he was a starter, period, for the Celtics this past year. There were games that he didn't score.
But you interpret that to mean that he doesn't mind being a small fish in a big pond. Conversely, it could have really ticked him off and made him rethink his plans.
Then why didn't he switch AAU teams if he was so upset with it?
In the middle of summer? LOL
Happens quite a bit.
His dad has already said they weren't happy with the situation on the team. Whose word should we take on it...mine, yours, or his?
And I said I was wrong about that. But the capital letters lol at the thought of switching AAU teams during the summer isn't a very accurate statement. It happens quite often. Just like players decommitting does...just like players transferring does. In terms of players switching AAU teams (at least ones playing national tournaments), I do doubt that it happens that often. I can't say I'm well versed at AAU ball because it's something I have a pretty big dislike for and something that I think hurts high school kids in general.
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