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brumdog44 Oct 29 2009, 09:57 PM Post #31
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For example, is a team that might be ranked 40th in FT shooting a good free throw shooting team?..........well, maybe relative to all of the other teams......but they might only shoot 65% and that just happens to be good enough for 40th place.
Get. a. fucking. clue.

Worst. analogy. ever.
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For example, is a team that might be ranked 40th in FT shooting a good free throw shooting team?..........well, maybe relative to all of the other teams......but they might only shoot 65% and that just happens to be good enough for 40th place.
Get. a. fucking. clue.

Worst. analogy. ever.
:rofl: I was about to respond to that as well. Free throws might be the ONLY thing that you can judge a team on by purely looking at statistics.
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Evilempire Oct 29 2009, 10:30 PM Post #33
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So you don't think steals or quick turnovers influence the numbers? You think Purdue isn't plodding based solely on being in the top 50% of possessions........without watching the games? It's nice to see you avoiding the issue............once again the victim of just looking at stats without watching games.

Just like the NYJ defense doesn't get pressure on the QB because they don't have many sacks right?

Just like Cliff Lee didn't dominate NL hitting right?.........even though his BB/K ratio went through the roof. When you aren't scared of hitters you get more aggressive.....which leads to more strikes being thrown......which leads to more Ks and fewer BBs......

Your statistical analysis is often flawed and short sighted. There are many factors that contribute to whether a team is plodding, just looking at total possessions is moronic at best.
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So you don't think steals or quick turnovers influence the numbers? You think Purdue isn't plodding based solely on being in the top 50% of possessions........without watching the games? It's nice to see you avoiding the issue............once again the victim of just looking at stats without watching games.

Just like the NYJ defense doesn't get pressure on the QB because they don't have many sacks right?

Just like Cliff Lee didn't dominate NL hitting right?.........even though his BB/K ratio went through the roof. When you aren't scared of hitters you get more aggressive.....which leads to more strikes being thrown......which leads to more Ks and fewer BBs......

Your statistical analysis is often flawed and short sighted. There are many factors that contribute to whether a team is plodding, just looking at total possessions is moronic at best.
Mr. 40th ranked free throws doesn't get the right to lecture others on statistics.

But, hey you're right.....Purdue being in the upper 50% is evidence that they are a plodding offense.

Moron.
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dçamden03 Oct 30 2009, 02:50 AM Post #35
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So you don't think steals or quick turnovers influence the numbers? You think Purdue isn't plodding based solely on being in the top 50% of possessions........without watching the games? It's nice to see you avoiding the issue............once again the victim of just looking at stats without watching games.

Just like the NYJ defense doesn't get pressure on the QB because they don't have many sacks right?

Just like Cliff Lee didn't dominate NL hitting right?.........even though his BB/K ratio went through the roof. When you aren't scared of hitters you get more aggressive.....which leads to more strikes being thrown......which leads to more Ks and fewer BBs......

Your statistical analysis is often flawed and short sighted. There are many factors that contribute to whether a team is plodding, just looking at total possessions is moronic at best.
What about the fact that Purdue's defense a lot of the time forces teams to use 30-35 seconds off of the shot clock? Wouldn't that skew the numbers the other way? Purdue isn't trying to slow the game down, they are just playing good defense.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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BoilerFan24 Oct 30 2009, 08:49 AM Post #36
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Purdue's not a 'plodding' team. They are pretty much NCAA D1 average...their tempo (number of possessions/game) was ranked 146th last year. Wisconsin is the definition of plodding.....ranked 334th last year.

But the picture of the Big Ten as being a slow down, plodding conference is accurate. Last year's tempo rankings:

Purdue 146th
Wisconsin 334th
Indiana 164th
Michigan State 126th
Illinois 270th
Ohio State 290th
Penn State 310th
Michigan 279th
Minnesota 214th
Northwestern 329th
Iowa 341th

I'm not sure how this translates to Purdue 'slowing it down.' Purdue, Michigan State, and Indiana were the only teams in the upper 50% of D1 in terms of tempo.
Im not sure how they figure these stats but wouldnt teams like NW and Wiscosin hurt teams like Purdue and MSU in rankings like this? So these rankings could be a little misleading.
No, the rankings are actually 'adjusted tempo'....meaning it accounts for an opponent typically does.
The way a team plays defense will also lower the number of possessions/game they get. If you play good defense and force a team to use all of the shot clock to look for a decent shot, you will get less possessions and in turn score less points.

Edit: I missed Cams post above.
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Unbiased Oct 30 2009, 09:14 AM Post #37
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turdue bleeds the clock on offense to shorten the games and bore the other team into submission
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turdue bleeds the clock on offense to shorten the games and bore the other team into submission
lol

You call it bleeding, any educated basketball person would call it working for a good shot.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Unbiased Oct 30 2009, 09:22 AM Post #39
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turdue bleeds the clock on offense to shorten the games and bore the other team into submission
lol

You call it bleeding, any educated basketball person would call it working for a good shot.
or just passing the ball around the perimeter, 35 feet (JJ Rothdick's range BTW) from the basket.
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