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09-10 Purdue BB Predictions
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chops1221 Nov 1 2009, 01:48 PM Post #31
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And you call at UI a probable loss. Can't say I can see where you are coming from there.
UI did go 2-1 against Purdue last year. They're preseason ranked #27, and they have a top-15 freshman class (2nd only to IU in the Big Ten). Add in that Weber is a great coach and probably understands Painter better than any other coach in the Big Ten, and it's not really surprising at all... unless you're a homer.
Could we lose there? Absolutely. I'm not sure I'd call it probable.

The only time we played them when we were fully healthy, we completely abused them.
Are you seriously talking the game TWO years ago as your baseline for this season?

Yeah, because that Illinois team is exactly the same as this one.
I think he was talking about the BTT game.
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And you call at UI a probable loss. Can't say I can see where you are coming from there.
UI did go 2-1 against Purdue last year. They're preseason ranked #27, and they have a top-15 freshman class (2nd only to IU in the Big Ten). Add in that Weber is a great coach and probably understands Painter better than any other coach in the Big Ten, and it's not really surprising at all... unless you're a homer.
Could we lose there? Absolutely. I'm not sure I'd call it probable.

The only time we played them when we were fully healthy, we completely abused them.
Are you seriously talking the game TWO years ago as your baseline for this season?

Yeah, because that Illinois team is exactly the same as this one.
I'm talking about the team from last year. Did you watch the BTT game? Final was only 10 points, but we abused them for the better part of the game.

They beat us in OT the first game, in which Hummel couldn't stand on his own after the game and Kramer got hurt and barely. Hummel played none of the second game.

And they lose the two players who played more minutes than anyone else on their team from last year. Losing Chester Frazier and Trent Meacham will be more significant than people realize.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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And you call at UI a probable loss. Can't say I can see where you are coming from there.
UI did go 2-1 against Purdue last year. They're preseason ranked #27, and they have a top-15 freshman class (2nd only to IU in the Big Ten). Add in that Weber is a great coach and probably understands Painter better than any other coach in the Big Ten, and it's not really surprising at all... unless you're a homer.
Could we lose there? Absolutely. I'm not sure I'd call it probable.

The only time we played them when we were fully healthy, we completely abused them.
Are you seriously talking the game TWO years ago as your baseline for this season?

Yeah, because that Illinois team is exactly the same as this one.
I think he was talking about the BTT game.
I stand corrected....but seriously, this is beyond homerism. If he wants to focus all of his energy on saying they can't lose six games because 'they won't lose at Illinois,' whatever. I've seen a lot of homer IU fans, but I don't think I've ever seen any fan that was a bigger homer than cam.

Okay, nage. But that's it.
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And you call at UI a probable loss. Can't say I can see where you are coming from there.
UI did go 2-1 against Purdue last year. They're preseason ranked #27, and they have a top-15 freshman class (2nd only to IU in the Big Ten). Add in that Weber is a great coach and probably understands Painter better than any other coach in the Big Ten, and it's not really surprising at all... unless you're a homer.
Could we lose there? Absolutely. I'm not sure I'd call it probable.

The only time we played them when we were fully healthy, we completely abused them.
Are you seriously talking the game TWO years ago as your baseline for this season?

Yeah, because that Illinois team is exactly the same as this one.
I'm talking about the team from last year. Did you watch the BTT game? Final was only 10 points, but we abused them for the better part of the game.

They beat us in OT the first game, in which Hummel couldn't stand on his own after the game and Kramer got hurt and barely. Hummel played none of the second game.

And they lose the two players who played more minutes than anyone else on their team from last year. Losing Chester Frazier and Trent Meacham will be more significant than people realize.
What was the score at Illinois last year?
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And you call at UI a probable loss. Can't say I can see where you are coming from there.
UI did go 2-1 against Purdue last year. They're preseason ranked #27, and they have a top-15 freshman class (2nd only to IU in the Big Ten). Add in that Weber is a great coach and probably understands Painter better than any other coach in the Big Ten, and it's not really surprising at all... unless you're a homer.
Could we lose there? Absolutely. I'm not sure I'd call it probable.

The only time we played them when we were fully healthy, we completely abused them.
Are you seriously talking the game TWO years ago as your baseline for this season?

Yeah, because that Illinois team is exactly the same as this one.
I think he was talking about the BTT game.
I stand corrected....but seriously, this is beyond homerism. If he wants to focus all of his energy on saying they can't lose six games because 'they won't lose at Illinois,' whatever. I've seen a lot of homer IU fans, but I don't think I've ever seen any fan that was a bigger homer than cam.

Okay, nage. But that's it.
I'm not saying they will or won't lose at Illinois, calling it a probable loss is ridiculous.

A team of Purdue's caliber doesn't have very many probably losses on its schedule.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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What was the score at Illinois last year?
It wasn't close.

UI losses two players that played over 30 minutes that game, and Purdue was without its best player.

If Robbie Hummel doesn't play in the game at Illinois this year, then we'll probably lose.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I do think the loss of Frazier will be huge also. And also I don't think we have any probable losses...not this team, baring injury.

....not that I necessarily want to agree with DC :P
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And you call at UI a probable loss. Can't say I can see where you are coming from there.
UI did go 2-1 against Purdue last year. They're preseason ranked #27, and they have a top-15 freshman class (2nd only to IU in the Big Ten). Add in that Weber is a great coach and probably understands Painter better than any other coach in the Big Ten, and it's not really surprising at all... unless you're a homer.
Could we lose there? Absolutely. I'm not sure I'd call it probable.

The only time we played them when we were fully healthy, we completely abused them.
Are you seriously talking the game TWO years ago as your baseline for this season?

Yeah, because that Illinois team is exactly the same as this one.
I think he was talking about the BTT game.
I stand corrected....but seriously, this is beyond homerism. If he wants to focus all of his energy on saying they can't lose six games because 'they won't lose at Illinois,' whatever. I've seen a lot of homer IU fans, but I don't think I've ever seen any fan that was a bigger homer than cam.

Okay, nage. But that's it.
I'm not saying they will or won't lose at Illinois, calling it a probable loss is ridiculous.

A team of Purdue's caliber doesn't have very many probably losses on its schedule.
I called it a 'probable loss' for the sake of picking games.

And if you checked, I categorized 'probable' as 60% or more...and I said that they would win one of the three 'probable losses.'

Excuse me for not annoiting them champions and suggesting that they could actually go 23-6....as that is a BAD thing.
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I called it a 'probable loss' for the sake of picking games.

And if you checked, I categorized 'probable' as 60% or more...and I said that they would win one of the three 'probable losses.'

Excuse me for not annoiting them champions and suggesting that they could actually go 23-6....as that is a BAD thing.
Its not anointing them anything.

Losing a game thats probable isn't what I'm saying is wrong. Thinking Purdue at Illinois is a probable loss at this point is a big stretch. They lost their top two players in minutes played.

If Purdue is healthy and goes 23-6, it'd be a HUGE disappointment.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I called it a 'probable loss' for the sake of picking games.

And if you checked, I categorized 'probable' as 60% or more...and I said that they would win one of the three 'probable losses.'

Excuse me for not annoiting them champions and suggesting that they could actually go 23-6....as that is a BAD thing.
Its not anointing them anything.

Losing a game thats probable isn't what I'm saying is wrong. Thinking Purdue at Illinois is a probable loss at this point is a big stretch. They lost their top two players in minutes played.

If Purdue is healthy and goes 23-6, it'd be a HUGE disappointment.
LOL. Coming from a Cubs fan, I thought you would at least understand disappointment.
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LOL, cam, 23-6 is what pretty much what anyone could expect. Big ten road games are complete horseshit sometimes. Terrible calls, bullshit fouls. All Brum is saying, is that we probably won't be favored @OSU @MSU or @ILL. If we aren't favored we are supposed to lose, yes?

Do I think we "probably" lose at ILL. Can't really say. We haven't played one game yet. Is Grant gonna shoot like his sophomore year? Is jackson gonna be able to finish his layups? Will we have any injuries?

But calling it a probable loss isn't really all that outlandish.

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I'm not sure how 23-6 could be considered a worst case scenario prediction. That doesn't even make sense.

I won't predict a record because I don't feel like going through the games. I think Hummel will indeed struggle with injuries throughout the year, leadiing to some less than stellar performances. That said, he'll come back nicely towards the end and Purdue will make the Final Four.
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LOL, cam, 23-6 is what pretty much what anyone could expect. Big ten road games are complete horseshit sometimes. Terrible calls, bullshit fouls. All Brum is saying, is that we probably won't be favored @OSU @MSU or @ILL. If we aren't favored we are supposed to lose, yes?

Do I think we "probably" lose at ILL. Can't really say. We haven't played one game yet. Is Grant gonna shoot like his sophomore year? Is jackson gonna be able to finish his layups? Will we have any injuries?

But calling it a probable loss isn't really all that outlandish.

And somehow if I say that in 3 out of 29 games, all on the road, that Purdue wouldn't be favored, then I'm being unrealistic. And I even predicted that they would win one of those three.

cam's just that young, I guess. I've been around along enough to know that there are so many things that can go wrong and only one way that everything can go completely right.
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LOL, cam, 23-6 is what pretty much what anyone could expect. Big ten road games are complete horseshit sometimes. Terrible calls, bullshit fouls. All Brum is saying, is that we probably won't be favored @OSU @MSU or @ILL. If we aren't favored we are supposed to lose, yes?

Do I think we "probably" lose at ILL. Can't really say. We haven't played one game yet. Is Grant gonna shoot like his sophomore year? Is jackson gonna be able to finish his layups? Will we have any injuries?

But calling it a probable loss isn't really all that outlandish.

And somehow if I say that in 3 out of 29 games, all on the road, that Purdue wouldn't be favored, then I'm being unrealistic. And I even predicted that they would win one of those three.

cam's just that young, I guess. I've been around along enough to know that there are so many things that can go wrong and only one way that everything can go completely right.
I agree, Purdue is very talented this year, no doubt about it. That doesn't mean they are without weakness or it's possible that players with recurring injuries get injured again.......(grant, kramer, hummel, etc)

Even with Purdue completely healthy, teams have off night shooting, when they don't shoot the 3 well, they generally don't do too good. Off nights also happen. Not to mention Illinois, minn, msu, osu, etc are all quality teams, and winning on the road is never easy.
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I do think the loss of Frazier will be huge also. And also I don't think we have any probable losses...not this team, baring injury.

....not that I necessarily want to agree with DC :P
I disagree on Frazier. It's kind of a strange argument though. To me, Frazier has been their weakest link in the past several years. He's a below average point guard and a horrible leader. That said, he did lead them. If he wasn't on the court, they looked horrid.

So to explain my stance, I think someone will have to step-up and take the reins. If someone doesn't, they'll be horrible, but I think someone will take the role of leader. My guess is McCamey will be the leader.

It reminds me of when Bracey Wright left IU. He was our best player, but the offense revolved around his decisions so much that nobody else knew what to do when he wasn't the focal point of the offense. After he left, everyone played with more confidence.
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