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dreachon Nov 4 2009, 11:36 PM Post #61
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
That's true. Sometimes I forget how rare it is in the college game for a player to average a bunch of assists. What do you think his ceiling is?
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Nov 4 2009, 11:36 PM
Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
That's true. Sometimes I forget how rare it is in the college game for a player to average a bunch of assists. What do you think his ceiling is?
Hard to tell. He's played one exhibition game and it was against an NAIA school. I'll be interested to see how he responds when he plays a team with athleticism, as that's where I think he'll struggle IMO.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BTown11 Nov 5 2009, 12:09 AM Post #68
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Nov 4 2009, 11:36 PM
Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
That's true. Sometimes I forget how rare it is in the college game for a player to average a bunch of assists. What do you think his ceiling is?
i feel like his ceiling is the lowest of the big-time freshmen (creek, watford, elston, hulls), but he's the closest to being at his ceiling than any of the other freshmen. does that make sense?
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Nov 4 2009, 11:36 PM
Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
That's true. Sometimes I forget how rare it is in the college game for a player to average a bunch of assists. What do you think his ceiling is?
i feel like his ceiling is the lowest of the big-time freshmen (creek, watford, elston, hulls), but he's the closest to being at his ceiling than any of the other freshmen. does that make sense?
I think that's pretty spot on.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Hulls looked great tonight....his 2 assists dont speak to his passing ability. he made numerous passes to wide open men that just didn't finish. that was my number one concern other than turnovers. how many layups and bunnies can you miss? they would have scored 110 if they could just finish


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Hulls looked great tonight....his 2 assists dont speak to his passing ability. he made numerous passes to wide open men that just didn't finish. that was my number one concern other than turnovers. how many layups and bunnies can you miss? they would have scored 110 if they could just finish
that will come. they're still in the middle of training, so they probably still feel like they're in the middle of a 15 round boxing match, extremely sore. finishing will come with time. give it a week or so.
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Hulls looked great tonight....his 2 assists dont speak to his passing ability. he made numerous passes to wide open men that just didn't finish. that was my number one concern other than turnovers. how many layups and bunnies can you miss? they would have scored 110 if they could just finish
that will come. they're still in the middle of training, so they probably still feel like they're in the middle of a 15 round boxing match, extremely sore. finishing will come with time. give it a week or so.
Exactly, I'd be worried as a fan if my team came out for its first preseason game and looked to be in midseason form.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
watford missed some bunnies, but like crean said on his radio show, watford will just dunk those once his knees are there.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
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