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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring. Hulls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bryd
and it isn't that close
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring. Just Dreach's opinion. Don't worry about it.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was. I totally agree.
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did Mr. Elbows play?
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Nov 5 2009, 11:08 AM
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did Mr. Elbows play? no, he was resting a sore knee...I think he's expected to play Monday though
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
Hulls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bryd and it isn't that close ddums=fool You are the biggest Purdue troll on this board. Your obsession is comical.
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Even if Hulls is never a star, I think he'll be better than just a solid role player. Maybe a Deron Williams type player. While everyone knows Williams as an NBA stud, his last year at Illinois he averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 assists. I can see Hulls putting up identical numbers, but he obviously isn't the type of player that would go to the NBA and average 20 and 11.
Anyone who watched Deron Williams knew that he was a much better player than his stats let on. Apparently most NBA guys thought so too since a guy with such average stats went so high in the draft. Stats are misleading...........Hulls will be lucky to even approach the kind of player Deron Williams was.
Obviously, but we are talking about their impact in the college game. I can absolutely see Hulls has a team leader who doesn't put up superstar numbers. 12 and 6 every night seem to be well within his range.
12.5 points and 6.8 assists a game is pretty damn good. He'd have led the B10 in assists last year by over an assist a game and been in the top 15 in scoring.
Hulls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bryd and it isn't that close ddums=fool
You are the biggest Purdue troll on this board. Your obsession is comical. it was directed at ddums and her incredible lack of sports knowledge
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was. I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender. I'm going to agree with Evil here. I think Pritchard has a spot as a starter for all 4 years.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
I'm going to agree with Evil here. I think Pritchard has a spot as a starter for all 4 years. maybe so. I think he has potential but has to learn to do the basics like hit 70% freethrows, finish bunnies around the basket, and realize he has a right hand.
If he can be a 260 lbs of rock solid beef, that will be valuable.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
I'm going to agree with Evil here. I think Pritchard has a spot as a starter for all 4 years.
maybe so. I think he has potential but has to learn to do the basics like hit 70% freethrows, finish bunnies around the basket, and realize he has a right hand. If he can be a 260 lbs of rock solid beef, that will be valuable. I bet you'd like some rock solid beef.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender. The difference between Pritchard and Daryl Thomas is that Thomas can shot from 10 or 12 feet out and was good along the baseline. Also, Thomas could hit at least 70 to 75% of his free throws. Pritchard can't even finish from 2 feet out. I bet he missed 4-6 point blank bunny shots off of good feeds from the guards. Until he can start shoting on a more consistent basis and start hitting free throws at least 70% of the time, comparing him to Daryl Thomas is stupid. He maybe more like Sean Kline before his injury.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
The difference between Pritchard and Daryl Thomas is that Thomas can shot from 10 or 12 feet out and was good along the baseline. Also, Thomas could hit at least 70 to 75% of his free throws. Pritchard can't even finish from 2 feet out. I bet he missed 4-6 point blank bunny shots off of good feeds from the guards. Until he can start shoting on a more consistent basis and start hitting free throws at least 70% of the time, comparing him to Daryl Thomas is stupid. He maybe more like Sean Kline before his injury. Swing and a miss. Pritchard can shoot from inside of 12 feet just as well as DThomas. Let's not pretend that Thomas was a shooter. DThomas made his hay on the block. He was a bull and there weren't many PFs in college basketball who could handle him. His time playing the 5 forced him to get better in the paint, and that's why he was able to have success against many of the 4s. Pritchard is much closer to Thomas as a sophomore than Kline at any point in his IU career. I'm not comparing Pritchard as a sophomore with 1 game under his belt to Thomas as a senior. Their situations are similar in the respect that they are both undersized 4s who are being forced to play out of position. Thomas got hammered his junior season, Knight saw it and signed a JUCO to allow Thomas to play the 4. Don't forget the toll it takes on your body to constantly play someone bigger/stronger than you all the time....especially in the post. If you haven't played it, you really have no understanding of how hard it is when you are completely physically overmatched. You spend so much of your energy just fighting for position, of course its going to diminish what you can do on the offensive end. Pritchard was a beaten man by the end of last year. There's no excuse for missing bunnies, but I think that will end up being the exception instead of the rule. Also, he has too good of a stroke to struggle from the foul line. 75% is easily attainable, I remember a bunch of his missed free throws going in and out last year.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
The difference between Pritchard and Daryl Thomas is that Thomas can shot from 10 or 12 feet out and was good along the baseline. Also, Thomas could hit at least 70 to 75% of his free throws. Pritchard can't even finish from 2 feet out. I bet he missed 4-6 point blank bunny shots off of good feeds from the guards. Until he can start shoting on a more consistent basis and start hitting free throws at least 70% of the time, comparing him to Daryl Thomas is stupid. He maybe more like Sean Kline before his injury.
Swing and a miss. Pritchard can shoot from inside of 12 feet just as well as DThomas. Let's not pretend that Thomas was a shooter. DThomas made his hay on the block. He was a bull and there weren't many PFs in college basketball who could handle him. His time playing the 5 forced him to get better in the paint, and that's why he was able to have success against many of the 4s. Pritchard is much closer to Thomas as a sophomore than Kline at any point in his IU career. I'm not comparing Pritchard as a sophomore with 1 game under his belt to Thomas as a senior. Their situations are similar in the respect that they are both undersized 4s who are being forced to play out of position. Thomas got hammered his junior season, Knight saw it and signed a JUCO to allow Thomas to play the 4. Don't forget the toll it takes on your body to constantly play someone bigger/stronger than you all the time....especially in the post. If you haven't played it, you really have no understanding of how hard it is when you are completely physically overmatched. You spend so much of your energy just fighting for position, of course its going to diminish what you can do on the offensive end. Pritchard was a beaten man by the end of last year. There's no excuse for missing bunnies, but I think that will end up being the exception instead of the rule. Also, he has too good of a stroke to struggle from the foul line. 75% is easily attainable, I remember a bunch of his missed free throws going in and out last year. I watched the game last night and his free misses weren't in and out, they were clangers. His bunny misses were clangers too, with no one on him. Also, he is closer to being a 5 than Daryl Thomas was because Thomas was only 6'7" and Pritchard is 6"9". Also, Pritchard isn't in that good of physical shape like Thomas was. Matter of fact, he came in heavier than last year and Crean stated that he was dissappointed with his conditioning during the off season. I think Pritchard has got potential and will probably always play more 5 than 4, but to compare him to Daryl Thomas isn't even close. I still think he is closer to Kline before his injury, IMO. If he doesn't improve, I can see Elston taking more of his minutes away. Elston can shot and seems to have more athletic ability.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
The difference between Pritchard and Daryl Thomas is that Thomas can shot from 10 or 12 feet out and was good along the baseline. Also, Thomas could hit at least 70 to 75% of his free throws. Pritchard can't even finish from 2 feet out. I bet he missed 4-6 point blank bunny shots off of good feeds from the guards. Until he can start shoting on a more consistent basis and start hitting free throws at least 70% of the time, comparing him to Daryl Thomas is stupid. He maybe more like Sean Kline before his injury.
Swing and a miss. Pritchard can shoot from inside of 12 feet just as well as DThomas. Let's not pretend that Thomas was a shooter. DThomas made his hay on the block. He was a bull and there weren't many PFs in college basketball who could handle him. His time playing the 5 forced him to get better in the paint, and that's why he was able to have success against many of the 4s. Pritchard is much closer to Thomas as a sophomore than Kline at any point in his IU career. I'm not comparing Pritchard as a sophomore with 1 game under his belt to Thomas as a senior. Their situations are similar in the respect that they are both undersized 4s who are being forced to play out of position. Thomas got hammered his junior season, Knight saw it and signed a JUCO to allow Thomas to play the 4. Don't forget the toll it takes on your body to constantly play someone bigger/stronger than you all the time....especially in the post. If you haven't played it, you really have no understanding of how hard it is when you are completely physically overmatched. You spend so much of your energy just fighting for position, of course its going to diminish what you can do on the offensive end. Pritchard was a beaten man by the end of last year. There's no excuse for missing bunnies, but I think that will end up being the exception instead of the rule. Also, he has too good of a stroke to struggle from the foul line. 75% is easily attainable, I remember a bunch of his missed free throws going in and out last year.
I watched the game last night and his free misses weren't in and out, they were clangers. His bunny misses were clangers too, with no one on him. Also, he is closer to being a 5 than Daryl Thomas was because Thomas was only 6'7" and Pritchard is 6"9". Also, Pritchard isn't in that good of physical shape like Thomas was. Matter of fact, he came in heavier than last year and Crean stated that he was dissappointed with his conditioning during the off season. I think Pritchard has got potential and will probably always play more 5 than 4, but to compare him to Daryl Thomas isn't even close. I still think he is closer to Kline before his injury, IMO. If he doesn't improve, I can see Elston taking more of his minutes away. Elston can shot and seems to have more athletic ability. Let's see how much energy and athleticism Elston has after getting beatdown by 5s.......its not going to happen. You are basing Pritchard's shooting ability on 1 game this year instead of 30 some odd games last year? So based on last night guys are either good shooters, bad shooters, can't pass, great passers, can't dribble, great at penetrating, poor foul shooters, great foul shooters, etc?......I think you need more of a sample size before you start labeling anyone any of those things.
So now your ability as a C is based on 2 inches?......tell that to Mourning. Tell Barkley he wasn't a PF. 6-9 is a classic PF height, and he is probably closer to 6-8 since almost everyone inflates height statistics. Kline was a hustle player with no real skills, not even close to Pritchard.
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