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dedicatedIUfan Nov 5 2009, 04:55 PM Post #91
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
The difference between Pritchard and Daryl Thomas is that Thomas can shot from 10 or 12 feet out and was good along the baseline. Also, Thomas could hit at least 70 to 75% of his free throws. Pritchard can't even finish from 2 feet out. I bet he missed 4-6 point blank bunny shots off of good feeds from the guards. Until he can start shoting on a more consistent basis and start hitting free throws at least 70% of the time, comparing him to Daryl Thomas is stupid. He maybe more like Sean Kline before his injury.
Swing and a miss. Pritchard can shoot from inside of 12 feet just as well as DThomas. Let's not pretend that Thomas was a shooter. DThomas made his hay on the block. He was a bull and there weren't many PFs in college basketball who could handle him. His time playing the 5 forced him to get better in the paint, and that's why he was able to have success against many of the 4s. Pritchard is much closer to Thomas as a sophomore than Kline at any point in his IU career. I'm not comparing Pritchard as a sophomore with 1 game under his belt to Thomas as a senior. Their situations are similar in the respect that they are both undersized 4s who are being forced to play out of position. Thomas got hammered his junior season, Knight saw it and signed a JUCO to allow Thomas to play the 4. Don't forget the toll it takes on your body to constantly play someone bigger/stronger than you all the time....especially in the post. If you haven't played it, you really have no understanding of how hard it is when you are completely physically overmatched. You spend so much of your energy just fighting for position, of course its going to diminish what you can do on the offensive end. Pritchard was a beaten man by the end of last year. There's no excuse for missing bunnies, but I think that will end up being the exception instead of the rule. Also, he has too good of a stroke to struggle from the foul line. 75% is easily attainable, I remember a bunch of his missed free throws going in and out last year.
I watched the game last night and his free misses weren't in and out, they were clangers. His bunny misses were clangers too, with no one on him. Also, he is closer to being a 5 than Daryl Thomas was because Thomas was only 6'7" and Pritchard is 6"9". Also, Pritchard isn't in that good of physical shape like Thomas was. Matter of fact, he came in heavier than last year and Crean stated that he was dissappointed with his conditioning during the off season. I think Pritchard has got potential and will probably always play more 5 than 4, but to compare him to Daryl Thomas isn't even close. I still think he is closer to Kline before his injury, IMO. If he doesn't improve, I can see Elston taking more of his minutes away. Elston can shot and seems to have more athletic ability.
Let's see how much energy and athleticism Elston has after getting beatdown by 5s.......its not going to happen. You are basing Pritchard's shooting ability on 1 game this year instead of 30 some odd games last year? So based on last night guys are either good shooters, bad shooters, can't pass, great passers, can't dribble, great at penetrating, poor foul shooters, great foul shooters, etc?......I think you need more of a sample size before you start labeling anyone any of those things.

So now your ability as a C is based on 2 inches?......tell that to Mourning. Tell Barkley he wasn't a PF. 6-9 is a classic PF height, and he is probably closer to 6-8 since almost everyone inflates height statistics. Kline was a hustle player with no real skills, not even close to Pritchard.
You are preaching to a statistician. I know about sample size and he had approximately 30 games last year plus the exihibition game this year. Do any kind of statistic or SPC, you need at least 20 to 30 samples. I think he has surpassed the sample size. He missed chip shots last year and this first exihibition game the same pattern existed. I am not saying he can't improve but he still followed the same pattern. I will give it 5 or 6 games and we will see if he starts finishing his shots, and I hope he does. I am only comparing him to Kline because Kline seemed to always hit the bottom of the rim or clang chip shots at point blank range and that is what Pritchard does. If I were a guard, I would be frustrated as hell to pass the ball into him if he doesn't finish.
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Here are DThomas' stats year by year for those with short memories.

Player G GS MPG FG FGA PCT FT FTA PCT
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Thomas,D 25 6 12 24 52 .462 21 39 .538

21 10 15 43 78 .551 29 44 .659

26 26 30 133 237 .561 111 146 .760

34 34 30 199 370 .538 136 173 .786

Pritchard, T 31 31 29 111 233 .476 78 135 .578


Nobody played more minutes last year than Pritchard. He played most of those minutes out of position and overmatched. Extrapolate DThomas' freshman season minutes by 2.5 times and their stats become somewhat similar when you consider that DThomas didn't have to play out of position since he played alongside 3 other players 6-8 or bigger who got more minutes...including Blab. His offensive touches are lower because of other players in the post, Pritchard's were inflated because Taber was the only other player who had any chance of posting anyone up.....as slim as that chance was. So I will stand by my opinion, not because I don't want to see your side of it or agree with you, but because it makes more sense to me than comparing Pritchard with Kline.

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Ya, he struggled with point blank shots all last year...I'd say that's enough of a sample size and I have no reason to believe he's improved at all. At the beginning of the year last year, I remember him facing up a lot and using the pump fake to get to the rim. By midseason, everyone knew he couldn't shoot and had no reason to defend it. Until he develops some game outside of 8 feet, I think he's going to struggle to score against quality opponents.
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Don't make me post Kline's stats. It will get embarassing. Kline's best season came was when Leach was a senior. Mike Roberts was beginning to take minutes away from him, but here are his best stats when he didn't have to play the 5 and be the only legit post threat......and he played on a better team where defensive guards couldn't crash down on the post.


G GS MIN/G FGM FGA FG% FTA FTM FT%
Kline, S 22 12 21.3 59 118 .500 38 53 .717

There is a reason Kline could only get 21 minutes per game......because he stunk.....and this was his best season by far.
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we will have a completely different team by the time big ten play begins...

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we will have a completely different team by the time big ten play begins...

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Really?..............who's scholarship is Crean yanking after 10 games?
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we will have a completely different team by the time big ten play begins...

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Really?..............who's scholarship is Crean yanking after 10 games?
i can't decide which is more annoying, your consistent lack of knowledge, or your incessant use of "........................". I think we need a poll. In fact, BG, can you roll out a new "MOST HATED" poll, I have a feeling the results will change.
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i'm really excited to watch these freshmen progress throughout the year. I have zero...count it...ZERO expectations this year in terms of wins and losses. wins will come over the next couple years...this year is about discipline and restoring IU to a hard-nosed, fast-paced team...

My predictions on who will be the most fun to watch: Hulls, Watford, Dumbass.

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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I totally disagree with that. I think Pritchard will easily be a solid player once IU has someone to play the 5............assuming Crean keeps a scholarship open to get one. The experience of playing the 5 last year and probably most of this year will be extremely valuable. Daryl Thomas was in the same situation, an undersized 4 playing the 5 in a major conference. Once Garrett showed up, he returned to the 4 and was a difficult matchup for a lot of teams. Until IU gets a proven post scorer to go along with Pritchard, he is going to draw the opposing teams best post defender.
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Pritchard's still a big question mark. He's got the build to be a force in the paint, but it sounds like he missed some gimme's in the game last night, and he definitely did that more often than I would've liked last year.

By the way, the game is showing on the BTN at 8:30 Eastern in my region.
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Watford was more athletic than I realized. I thought he would be a 3-4, but he's really more of a pure 3 with 2-3 potential. Maybe a Danny Granger type development.

Elston surpassed my expectations the most. He's going to get his minutes this year. If he improves his jumper he could be a really good 4 year player.

Hulls did look good, but I don't have a boner yet like everyone else. We'll see how he does when he faces more athletic defenders and has to guard bigger quicker PG's.

Where was Creek? He wins the award for most conspicuous absence. But it was the 1st exhibition game. He'll have his chances to make more of an impact.

Rivers was fine, but isn't as long or as good as I'd hoped.

VJ wasn't as bad as some posters would have you believe. His slashing is going to create some offense (and some turnovers) on a team that desperately needs offense (and desperately needs to avoid turnovers).

Like Brum said, Capo is not ready to contribute.

We finally have some big bodies.

This team is going to lose a lot of games. Their best chance to beat good teams would be to develop a lock-down defensive identity. But I didn't see any hints that could actually happen this year in the exhibition game. Best case scenario is to improve a lot throughout the season and make a nice NIT run.
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Where was Creek? He wins the award for most conspicuous absence. But it was the 1st exhibition game. He'll have his chances to make more of an impact.
creek came in after the summer training period, so he's likely going through the bulk of training right now. he likely won't be game ready for a few weeks, but once he is, look out.
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The only lack of finishing that worries me is Pritchard. He showed the same propensity for missing easy lay-ups last year and it doesn't look like he has improved at all. He doesn't really look he is in any better shape than last year either.
I honestly think that when Elston and Capo develop, Pritchard will see his minutes diminished. Those two are more athletic and physical and rated way higher coming in than Pritchard was.
I don't think Capo will catch up with Pritchard.
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Also, he has too good of a stroke to struggle from the foul line. 75% is easily attainable, I remember a bunch of his missed free throws going in and out last year.
Tom Pritchard shot 58% from the line, but Evil envisions him someday shooting 75%.

David Williams shot 57% from the line as a high school junior, and Evil calls him a 50% free throw shooter and relegates him to that role for the end of eternity.

Fucking hypocrit. But yeah, Prithcard had a bunch of 'near misses' on his free throws.
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Also, he has too good of a stroke to struggle from the foul line. 75% is easily attainable, I remember a bunch of his missed free throws going in and out last year.
Tom Pritchard shot 58% from the line, but Evil envisions him someday shooting 75%.

David Williams shot 57% from the line as a high school junior, and Evil calls him a 50% free throw shooter and relegates him to that role for the end of eternity.

Fucking hypocrit. But yeah, Prithcard had a bunch of 'near misses' on his free throws.
I believe it was 80+ percent, not 75% for David Williams. Never said it was impossible, said it was very unlikely.............as proven by the lack of NBA caliber talent that has been able to do it.

I'll gladly take any bet that Pritchard will leave IU shooting between 73-77% from the foul line by his senior year.

I ripped Crean for signing a '57%' foul shooting SG/SF in the early signing period. Slashers tend to draw a lot of fouls.

NICE HUSTLE AGAIN VAG, what a douche.
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