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Nov 11 2009, 10:33 AM
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You know Mcleod's history with Williams and his AAU team, right ? Mcleod has his fingerprints all over this offer. Either Crean took his recommendation and ran with it(after some minimal research), or Crean did a lot of research and still offered. Either way, Mcleod turned IU on to this guy and recommended him. Now it ain't happening.
Who knows the effect on Mcleod's rep with the Celtics and the AAU teams. Could be nothing, could be more.
I do know McLeod's history. I am just saying that if it is a situation though where Williams backed off on his own - not by any subtle prodding on the part of IU - then i don't see how McLeod could take the hit.
His first kid from the Atlanta AAU pipeline was Williams. He was offered and is now not coming. Regardless of what happened, do you have confidence in his ablilities to recruit ? I think the whole thing was set up to get Crean involved in the high profile AAU program.
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You know Mcleod's history with Williams and his AAU team, right ? Mcleod has his fingerprints all over this offer. Either Crean took his recommendation and ran with it(after some minimal research), or Crean did a lot of research and still offered. Either way, Mcleod turned IU on to this guy and recommended him. Now it ain't happening.
Who knows the effect on Mcleod's rep with the Celtics and the AAU teams. Could be nothing, could be more.
I do know McLeod's history. I am just saying that if it is a situation though where Williams backed off on his own - not by any subtle prodding on the part of IU - then i don't see how McLeod could take the hit.
His first kid from the Atlanta AAU pipeline was Williams. He was offered and is now not coming. Regardless of what happened, do you have confidence in his ablilities to recruit ? I have confidence in Crean to recruit, thats probably most important.
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Nov 11 2009, 10:39 AM
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His first kid from the Atlanta AAU pipeline was Williams. He was offered and is now not coming. Regardless of what happened, do you have confidence in his ablilities to recruit ? NOw you are talking about two different things. First it was that this would cast him in a negaive light with the Celtics and the Atlanta AAU pipeline in general. NOw you are asking about what i think of his recruiting ability as a fan. What I, and other fans think about his ability to recruit has little to no bearing on how and how well he does his job.
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Nov 11 2009, 10:59 AM
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His first kid from the Atlanta AAU pipeline was Williams. He was offered and is now not coming. Regardless of what happened, do you have confidence in his ablilities to recruit ?
NOw you are talking about two different things. First it was that this would cast him in a negaive light with the Celtics and the Atlanta AAU pipeline in general. NOw you are asking about what i think of his recruiting ability as a fan. What I, and other fans think about his ability to recruit has little to no bearing on how and how well he does his job. You're smarter than this.
You said you didn't see how Mcleod could take a hit for this situation. My question was simply another way of pointing out his involvement in the William's recruitment and trying to see if you agree that he made any mistakes.
You are a knowledgeable fan. You have the ability and the right to make judgements on your program, it's done here every day, as you well know.
My points are two. If Mcleod thought Williams worthy of an IU offer, most IU fans would say he made a mistake and that would lead some to question his ability to do his job. Depending on how this all went down, this could hurt Mcleod's recruiting in Atlanta AAU and thus take away what Crean thought he was getting when he hired him. I personally don't think it would be that significant, we may never know.
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Nov 11 2009, 12:41 PM
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His first kid from the Atlanta AAU pipeline was Williams. He was offered and is now not coming. Regardless of what happened, do you have confidence in his ablilities to recruit ?
NOw you are talking about two different things. First it was that this would cast him in a negaive light with the Celtics and the Atlanta AAU pipeline in general. NOw you are asking about what i think of his recruiting ability as a fan. What I, and other fans think about his ability to recruit has little to no bearing on how and how well he does his job.
You're smarter than this. You said you didn't see how Mcleod could take a hit for this situation. My question was simply another way of pointing out his involvement in the William's recruitment and trying to see if you agree that he made any mistakes. You are a knowledgeable fan. You have the ability and the right to make judgements on your program, it's done here every day, as you well know. My points are two. If Mcleod thought Williams worthy of an IU offer, most IU fans would say he made a mistake and that would lead some to question his ability to do his job. Depending on how this all went down, this could hurt Mcleod's recruiting in Atlanta AAU and thus take away what Crean thought he was getting when he hired him. I personally don't think it would be that significant, we may never know. Bob just wanted to let you know that i am not avoiding your question. I need to get busy on some other stuff though, so i will have to answer later.
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Nov 11 2009, 05:37 PM
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Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously?
Yes, I said that. Most of you, without info like Btown I suppose, read into what you wanted to see as well. As Dc said, this should be interesting. Don't know if we'll ever get the whole story. One thing is for sure. Mcleod's cred just took a big hit.
Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us.
OK teacher, I did what you told me to. Can I use the restroom now ? "Williams remains committed to Indiana, his father said."........I don't know how I could have come up with an opinion other than yours. You feeling like a fight or what ? I know we're approaching basketball season and that tends to get the juices flowing. You were right, I was wrong. Obviously I was off base, since Williams is not coming, but his father was very vague and indecisive in the article. To draw definite conclusions from it would be stretching it. We'll see what is said about it in the coming days. Whatever happens, MY PREDICTION is that you will spin it that Williams would sit the bench anyway, doing what's best for him.....etc., and that may be true. But you can't deny this was fucked up from day one. Crean/Mcleod made a piss poor decision and have found a way to get out of it. Jesus Christ, bob, could you possibly leave more of his father's quotes out?
“He knows he’s going to college somewhere. Where? We know this is a process.”
That seems like a pretty important statement to not mention.
And most of us in the original thread (sans UB) were NOT saying that Williams definitely wasn't coming to IU. We did indicate that was reason to believe that it could be the case....even those of us who didn't care one way or another whether he actually did.
And who's looking for a fight....someone who asks you to reread his father's original statements (which by your quotes, I'm still not sure you've fully read), or someone who is calling it a 'fucked up decision from day one.'
If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions.
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Nov 11 2009, 06:04 PM
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Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously?
Yes, I said that. Most of you, without info like Btown I suppose, read into what you wanted to see as well. As Dc said, this should be interesting. Don't know if we'll ever get the whole story. One thing is for sure. Mcleod's cred just took a big hit.
Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us.
OK teacher, I did what you told me to. Can I use the restroom now ? "Williams remains committed to Indiana, his father said."........I don't know how I could have come up with an opinion other than yours. You feeling like a fight or what ? I know we're approaching basketball season and that tends to get the juices flowing. You were right, I was wrong. Obviously I was off base, since Williams is not coming, but his father was very vague and indecisive in the article. To draw definite conclusions from it would be stretching it. We'll see what is said about it in the coming days. Whatever happens, MY PREDICTION is that you will spin it that Williams would sit the bench anyway, doing what's best for him.....etc., and that may be true. But you can't deny this was fucked up from day one. Crean/Mcleod made a piss poor decision and have found a way to get out of it.
Jesus Christ, bob, could you possibly leave more of his father's quotes out? “He knows he’s going to college somewhere. Where? We know this is a process.” That seems like a pretty important statement to not mention. And most of us in the original thread (sans UB) were NOT saying that Williams definitely wasn't coming to IU. We did indicate that was reason to believe that it could be the case....even those of us who didn't care one way or another whether he actually did. And who's looking for a fight....someone who asks you to reread his father's original statements (which by your quotes, I'm still not sure you've fully read), or someone who is calling it a 'fucked up decision from day one.' If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions. "Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously? "
"Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us."
That's what you said. What the fuck are you trying to do here Brum ? Those are two pretty big " I told you so" comments. What's your fucking point if not to start a fight ? I admitted what I said after your first shot, but that wasn't enough for you, was it ?
So you were "not definitely" saying Williams was not coming to IU. Then why the shot above ? Why now claim that "us" were not off base ? I never said he definitely was coming either, just giving my opinion. I was simply quoting ONE piece of his father's statement to support my position......... You need to decide which way it is. If you weren't definitely saying it before, you don't get to claim credit now and give me shit about it.
I really fail to understand your point. This is old Brum shit, which I thought was in the past.
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Nov 11 2009, 07:05 PM
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If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions. Jeff Robinson is quoted as saying he didn't do enough to gain admittance to Purdue, but you don't believe him. You are completely and utterly clueless on the situation.
Because with our great big man depth, Painter is thrilled to have an open scholarship sitting there in '09 and have to play a 6'5 wing man at the 4 position in a year where we could make a huge run.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."
"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously?
Yes, I said that. Most of you, without info like Btown I suppose, read into what you wanted to see as well. As Dc said, this should be interesting. Don't know if we'll ever get the whole story. One thing is for sure. Mcleod's cred just took a big hit.
Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us.
OK teacher, I did what you told me to. Can I use the restroom now ? "Williams remains committed to Indiana, his father said."........I don't know how I could have come up with an opinion other than yours. You feeling like a fight or what ? I know we're approaching basketball season and that tends to get the juices flowing. You were right, I was wrong. Obviously I was off base, since Williams is not coming, but his father was very vague and indecisive in the article. To draw definite conclusions from it would be stretching it. We'll see what is said about it in the coming days. Whatever happens, MY PREDICTION is that you will spin it that Williams would sit the bench anyway, doing what's best for him.....etc., and that may be true. But you can't deny this was fucked up from day one. Crean/Mcleod made a piss poor decision and have found a way to get out of it.
Jesus Christ, bob, could you possibly leave more of his father's quotes out? “He knows he’s going to college somewhere. Where? We know this is a process.” That seems like a pretty important statement to not mention. And most of us in the original thread (sans UB) were NOT saying that Williams definitely wasn't coming to IU. We did indicate that was reason to believe that it could be the case....even those of us who didn't care one way or another whether he actually did. And who's looking for a fight....someone who asks you to reread his father's original statements (which by your quotes, I'm still not sure you've fully read), or someone who is calling it a 'fucked up decision from day one.' If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions.
"Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously? " "Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us." That's what you said. What the fuck are you trying to do here Brum ? Those are two pretty big " I told you so" comments. What's your fucking point if not to start a fight ? I admitted what I said after your first shot, but that wasn't enough for you, was it ? So you were "not definitely" saying Williams was not coming to IU. Then why the shot above ? Why now claim that "us" were not off base ? I never said he definitely was coming either, just giving my opinion. I was simply quoting ONE piece of his father's statement to support my position......... You need to decide which way it is. If you weren't definitely saying it before, you don't get to claim credit now and give me shit about it. I really fail to understand your point. This is old Brum shit, which I thought was in the past. If I want to say I told you so, I'd say I told you so. Is that really such an insult that I'd try to 'disguise' it? There sure is a hell lot worse things in life than being wrong once in a while.
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Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously?
Yes, I said that. Most of you, without info like Btown I suppose, read into what you wanted to see as well. As Dc said, this should be interesting. Don't know if we'll ever get the whole story. One thing is for sure. Mcleod's cred just took a big hit.
Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us.
OK teacher, I did what you told me to. Can I use the restroom now ? "Williams remains committed to Indiana, his father said."........I don't know how I could have come up with an opinion other than yours. You feeling like a fight or what ? I know we're approaching basketball season and that tends to get the juices flowing. You were right, I was wrong. Obviously I was off base, since Williams is not coming, but his father was very vague and indecisive in the article. To draw definite conclusions from it would be stretching it. We'll see what is said about it in the coming days. Whatever happens, MY PREDICTION is that you will spin it that Williams would sit the bench anyway, doing what's best for him.....etc., and that may be true. But you can't deny this was fucked up from day one. Crean/Mcleod made a piss poor decision and have found a way to get out of it.
Jesus Christ, bob, could you possibly leave more of his father's quotes out? “He knows he’s going to college somewhere. Where? We know this is a process.” That seems like a pretty important statement to not mention. And most of us in the original thread (sans UB) were NOT saying that Williams definitely wasn't coming to IU. We did indicate that was reason to believe that it could be the case....even those of us who didn't care one way or another whether he actually did. And who's looking for a fight....someone who asks you to reread his father's original statements (which by your quotes, I'm still not sure you've fully read), or someone who is calling it a 'fucked up decision from day one.' If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions.
"Bob and Maker...weren't you the guys who said that everyone was 'reading too much' into what David Williams father had said previously? " "Reread Williams' father's comments and see if we were off base or you were. I don't think it was us." That's what you said. What the fuck are you trying to do here Brum ? Those are two pretty big " I told you so" comments. What's your fucking point if not to start a fight ? I admitted what I said after your first shot, but that wasn't enough for you, was it ? So you were "not definitely" saying Williams was not coming to IU. Then why the shot above ? Why now claim that "us" were not off base ? I never said he definitely was coming either, just giving my opinion. I was simply quoting ONE piece of his father's statement to support my position......... You need to decide which way it is. If you weren't definitely saying it before, you don't get to claim credit now and give me shit about it. I really fail to understand your point. This is old Brum shit, which I thought was in the past.
If I want to say I told you so, I'd say I told you so. Is that really such an insult that I'd try to 'disguise' it? There sure is a hell lot worse things in life than being wrong once in a while. How many fucking times do you want me to say I was wrong ? Can you fucking read for Christ sake ?
And yet........ you were right, while at the same time not really claiming that Williams would definitely come.
You brought it up, for whatever fucked up reason. I haven't seen this side of you for awhile. Thought it was gone. I have enjoyed your wit and insight since the dark days.
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believe me when i say that david williams' scholarship wasn't pulled away from him. at this point, it would not surprise me if david did not end up playing college basketball, additionally, he would likely need a year of prep school if he did. from what i hear, he has a lot of decisions to make, and no timeline to make them. i only know fuzzy details, but i'm sure the full story will come out in time -- not like we'll care by that time.
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believe me when i say that david williams' scholarship wasn't pulled away from him. at this point, it would not surprise me if david did not end up playing college basketball, additionally, he would likely need a year of prep school if he did. from what i hear, he has a lot of decisions to make, and no timeline to make them. i only know fuzzy details, but i'm sure the full story will come out in time -- not like we'll care by that time. Fuzzy details but you know for sure it wasn't pulled away from him?..........yeah, dry that one out and you can fertilize the lawn(another 80s movie reference so ask someone a little older).
I care what the real reason is............it would be stupid not to.
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believe me when i say that david williams' scholarship wasn't pulled away from him. at this point, it would not surprise me if david did not end up playing college basketball, additionally, he would likely need a year of prep school if he did. from what i hear, he has a lot of decisions to make, and no timeline to make them. i only know fuzzy details, but i'm sure the full story will come out in time -- not like we'll care by that time.
Fuzzy details but you know for sure it wasn't pulled away from him?..........yeah, dry that one out and you can fertilize the lawn(another 80s movie reference so ask someone a little older). I care what the real reason is............it would be stupid not to. did you even go to IU?
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If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions.
Jeff Robinson is quoted as saying he didn't do enough to gain admittance to Purdue, but you don't believe him. You are completely and utterly clueless on the situation. Because with our great big man depth, Painter is thrilled to have an open scholarship sitting there in '09 and have to play a 6'5 wing man at the 4 position in a year where we could make a huge run. Bump for Brum, and I bet he'll never answer.
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"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions.
Jeff Robinson is quoted as saying he didn't do enough to gain admittance to Purdue, but you don't believe him. You are completely and utterly clueless on the situation. Because with our great big man depth, Painter is thrilled to have an open scholarship sitting there in '09 and have to play a 6'5 wing man at the 4 position in a year where we could make a huge run.
Bump for Brum, and I bet he'll never answer. When Allen Iverson signed with Memphis he told the media that, "the only thing that matters are the guys over there (his teammates), the coaching staff and the fans that care about the Memphis Grizzlies."
Ya know Cam, if there is one thing we have always disagreed upon, it's that I take everything said to the media with a grain of salt and you take everything said to the media as unquestionable.
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