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brumdog44 Nov 12 2009, 04:51 PM Post #46
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If you want a fight, you can get one. I have no problem going after the Jeff Robinson situation in terms of piss poor decisions.
Jeff Robinson is quoted as saying he didn't do enough to gain admittance to Purdue, but you don't believe him. You are completely and utterly clueless on the situation.

Because with our great big man depth, Painter is thrilled to have an open scholarship sitting there in '09 and have to play a 6'5 wing man at the 4 position in a year where we could make a huge run.
Bump for Brum, and I bet he'll never answer.
My post was directed toward Bob and the issue between him and I seems to be ended.

I could get into it with you..the lone person who believes that if Jeff Robinson had Glen Robinson's ability he still wouldn't have gotten into Purdue..or I can let you wallow in your 'Purdue can't ever possibly finish as poor as 23-6 this year' delusions. I'll choose the latter.
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My post was directed toward Bob and the issue between him and I seems to be ended.

I could get into it with you..the lone person who believes that if Jeff Robinson had Glen Robinson's ability he still wouldn't have gotten into Purdue..or I can let you wallow in your 'Purdue can't ever possibly finish as poor as 23-6 this year' delusions. I'll choose the latter.
Clueless as usual.

I never said Purdue couldn't finish 23-6, I said it'd be a disappointment and its expecting the worst from a team of Purdue's caliber.

I'd love to see the precedent for Purdue allowing someone with Jeff Robinson's academics and Glenn Robinson's ability to gain admission to Purdue in 2009. This is just more spin from you.

“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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My post was directed toward Bob and the issue between him and I seems to be ended.

I could get into it with you..the lone person who believes that if Jeff Robinson had Glen Robinson's ability he still wouldn't have gotten into Purdue..or I can let you wallow in your 'Purdue can't ever possibly finish as poor as 23-6 this year' delusions. I'll choose the latter.
Clueless as usual.

I never said Purdue couldn't finish 23-6, I said it'd be a disappointment and its expecting the worst from a team of Purdue's caliber.

I'd love to see the precedent for Purdue allowing someone with Jeff Robinson's academics and Glenn Robinson's ability to gain admission to Purdue in 2009. This is just more spin from you.

Yer asking him to prove that no one with Robinson's academic credentials was admitted to Purdue. Can you prove it as well?
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My post was directed toward Bob and the issue between him and I seems to be ended.

I could get into it with you..the lone person who believes that if Jeff Robinson had Glen Robinson's ability he still wouldn't have gotten into Purdue..or I can let you wallow in your 'Purdue can't ever possibly finish as poor as 23-6 this year' delusions. I'll choose the latter.
Clueless as usual.

I never said Purdue couldn't finish 23-6, I said it'd be a disappointment and its expecting the worst from a team of Purdue's caliber.

I'd love to see the precedent for Purdue allowing someone with Jeff Robinson's academics and Glenn Robinson's ability to gain admission to Purdue in 2009. This is just more spin from you.

Yer asking him to prove that no one with Robinson's academic credentials was admitted to Purdue. Can you prove it as well?
Yes.

Jeff Robinson.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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My post was directed toward Bob and the issue between him and I seems to be ended.

I could get into it with you..the lone person who believes that if Jeff Robinson had Glen Robinson's ability he still wouldn't have gotten into Purdue..or I can let you wallow in your 'Purdue can't ever possibly finish as poor as 23-6 this year' delusions. I'll choose the latter.
Clueless as usual.

I never said Purdue couldn't finish 23-6, I said it'd be a disappointment and its expecting the worst from a team of Purdue's caliber.

I'd love to see the precedent for Purdue allowing someone with Jeff Robinson's academics and Glenn Robinson's ability to gain admission to Purdue in 2009. This is just more spin from you.

Yer asking him to prove that no one with Robinson's academic credentials was admitted to Purdue. Can you prove it as well?
Yes.

Jeff Robinson.
And the caveat: did he have Glen Robinson's ability?

So you are asking me to give you an example of a player who had Jeff Robinson's academics but Glen Robinson's ability, accepted a scholarship to Purdue, and then was accepted?

I will kindly ask you to find a player that fits that bill and was rejected. It sure wasn't Jeff Robinson.
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My post was directed toward Bob and the issue between him and I seems to be ended.

I could get into it with you..the lone person who believes that if Jeff Robinson had Glen Robinson's ability he still wouldn't have gotten into Purdue..or I can let you wallow in your 'Purdue can't ever possibly finish as poor as 23-6 this year' delusions. I'll choose the latter.
Clueless as usual.

I never said Purdue couldn't finish 23-6, I said it'd be a disappointment and its expecting the worst from a team of Purdue's caliber.

I'd love to see the precedent for Purdue allowing someone with Jeff Robinson's academics and Glenn Robinson's ability to gain admission to Purdue in 2009. This is just more spin from you.

Yer asking him to prove that no one with Robinson's academic credentials was admitted to Purdue. Can you prove it as well?
Yes.

Jeff Robinson.
Genius. The theory is that Robinson wasn't let in due to Painter not wanting him on the team anymore.

Try again.
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And the caveat: did he have Glen Robinson's ability?

So you are asking me to give you an example of a player who had Jeff Robinson's academics but Glen Robinson's ability, accepted a scholarship to Purdue, and then was accepted?

I will kindly ask you to find a player that fits that bill and was rejected. It sure wasn't Jeff Robinson.
So there is no precedent, and you are just assuming it to be true? Gotcha.

Fact is, Jeff Robinson was very much wanted by Purdue. He would have played immediately and helped.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Genius. The theory is that Robinson wasn't let in due to Painter not wanting him on the team anymore.

Try again.
That theory is completely and utterly wrong though.

Why would Painter not want him anymore?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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And the caveat: did he have Glen Robinson's ability?

So you are asking me to give you an example of a player who had Jeff Robinson's academics but Glen Robinson's ability, accepted a scholarship to Purdue, and then was accepted?

I will kindly ask you to find a player that fits that bill and was rejected. It sure wasn't Jeff Robinson.
So there is no precedent, and you are just assuming it to be true? Gotcha.

Fact is, Jeff Robinson was very much wanted by Purdue. He would have played immediately and helped.
Helped in a Glen Robinson like way? Nope.
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Genius. The theory is that Robinson wasn't let in due to Painter not wanting him on the team anymore.

Try again.
That theory is completely and utterly wrong though.

Why would Painter not want him anymore?
That's not the point. There is nothing that has said the theory is 100% true. Just that it's viable. You were asking Brum to prove that it's viable when at the same time you cannot prove that it's not viable.
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Genius. The theory is that Robinson wasn't let in due to Painter not wanting him on the team anymore.

Try again.
That theory is completely and utterly wrong though.

Why would Painter not want him anymore?
That's not the point. There is nothing that has said the theory is 100% true. Just that it's viable. You were asking Brum to prove that it's viable when at the same time you cannot prove that it's not viable.
Maybe Robinson, not being a EE, ME, or foreign dork, was going to skew the guy/girl ratio and therefore was denied admission.
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Genius. The theory is that Robinson wasn't let in due to Painter not wanting him on the team anymore.

Try again.
That theory is completely and utterly wrong though.

Why would Painter not want him anymore?
That's not the point. There is nothing that has said the theory is 100% true. Just that it's viable. You were asking Brum to prove that it's viable when at the same time you cannot prove that it's not viable.
Robinson signed with the Boilermakers but said he was not admitted because of poor grades his senior year.

“I was a little upset, but I understand that I did it to myself,” he said. “My test scores were fine, but I had a bad senior year.”


http://www.indy.com/posts/grades-alter-plans-for-purdue-basketball-recruit-jeff-robinson

Seems pretty straight forward to me.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Genius. The theory is that Robinson wasn't let in due to Painter not wanting him on the team anymore.

Try again.
That theory is completely and utterly wrong though.

Why would Painter not want him anymore?
That's not the point. There is nothing that has said the theory is 100% true. Just that it's viable. You were asking Brum to prove that it's viable when at the same time you cannot prove that it's not viable.
Robinson signed with the Boilermakers but said he was not admitted because of poor grades his senior year.

“I was a little upset, but I understand that I did it to myself,” he said. “My test scores were fine, but I had a bad senior year.”


http://www.indy.com/posts/grades-alter-plans-for-purdue-basketball-recruit-jeff-robinson

Seems pretty straight forward to me.
And this takes us all the way back to trusting what is said to the media. Full circle. We'll never get anywhere, so lets just drop it. The conversation was more fun when it was about stupid topics like guy/girl ratios anyways. :P
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What does Jeff Robinson have to lose by telling the truth? It just makes no sense. Why on Earth would Painter drop an Indy area recruit (would hurt his reputation there) and a product of the Spiece AAU program (where two '10 recruits, a '12 commit, and a handful of other '12 players we offered/recruited play) 4 months before the season starts?

Oh well, people will continue to believe what they want because it makes them feel better. Its sort of sad really.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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What does Jeff Robinson have to lose by telling the truth? It just makes no sense. Why on Earth would Painter drop an Indy area recruit (would hurt his reputation there) and a product of the Spiece AAU program (where two '10 recruits, a '12 commit, and a handful of other '12 players we offered/recruited play) 4 months before the season starts?

Oh well, people will continue to believe what they want because it makes them feel better. Its sort of sad really.
Sad that poeple have opinions and an open mind.

Maybe he didn't want to bash Painter and get into some sort of media war. Have to deal with the hatred spewed from the fan base. Maybe lose a valuable contact. Maybe he really appreciated Painter giving him a chance and getting some more exposure. One thing that I'm sure helped land him at Xavier.

I just don't see how this is a black and white, line drawn in the sand issue. Lots of factors with no way to know what really went on. Which is why I can't close the book on a theory that says Jeff Robinson didn't develop enough for Painter's liking and he used the grades excuse to ensure Robinson wouldn't end up at Purdue.

I also believe that the theory his grades weren't good enough is perfectly acceptable. I'm absolutely fine with keeping both theories open as possibilites with the liklihood that we'll never know.
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