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Lewis Jackson has Foot Surgery
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brumdog44 Nov 17 2009, 09:22 PM Post #16
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How late in the season would the Boilers go before deciding to redshirt him? They haven't mentioned exactly what the injury is, but it does sound like it could be significant.
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How late in the season would the Boilers go before deciding to redshirt him? They haven't mentioned exactly what the injury is, but it does sound like it could be significant.
"Hopefully, he can come back at the end of the Big Ten season, but it’s going to take some time,” Purdue coach Matt Painter said after Tuesday afternoon’s practice.

http://www.jconline.com/article/20091117/NEWS0901/91117025


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A foot injury that will keep him out nearly the whole season?

This sounds like the dreaded LisFranc injury. Famously debilitating foot injury. Happens when you injure the arch of your foot and it has sidelined the best of em.
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Ouch. I would think if he couldn't be back until at least February that it simply might be better for him to redshirt and keep the extra year.
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I would agree about redshirting off the cuff, but this is gonna be Purdue's championship run. Barring anything drastic happening, Johnson's gonna go pro. We're an upperclassman-led team with tourney experience, and we're gonna lose a decent hunk of that next year. When you add in the Final Four in Indy, you figure this has to be it. Purdue's not the kind of team or program that reloads and makes title run after title run. Right now, this is our best shot for at least a couple years. I think if there's a strong chance that Jackson can come back by February, we could have him for the stretch of the Big Ten schedule and the tournament. As a fan and coach, I would rather he sits out for now and (probably) comes back for the end. If the odds of him returning aren't good, then yeah, take the redshirt.
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I would agree about redshirting off the cuff, but this is gonna be Purdue's championship run. Barring anything drastic happening, Johnson's gonna go pro. We're an upperclassman-led team with tourney experience, and we're gonna lose a decent hunk of that next year. When you add in the Final Four in Indy, you figure this has to be it. Purdue's not the kind of team or program that reloads and makes title run after title run. Right now, this is our best shot for at least a couple years. I think if there's a strong chance that Jackson can come back by February, we could have him for the stretch of the Big Ten schedule and the tournament. As a fan and coach, I would rather he sits out for now and (probably) comes back for the end. If the odds of him returning aren't good, then yeah, take the redshirt.
But would coming back for, say, 10 games this year be what is best for Jackson?

You also have to keep in mind that he will have sat out for a good four months at that point and would have to play himself back into game shape. It's happened more than once that a player has come back and it's disrupted what the team is doing as they aren't on the same page.
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Barlow's got some game, so it is possible that he may play more point than I initially posted. I think Jackson's absence will hurt us more defensively than offensively. One of our biggest problems in the '07-08 season was keeping penetrators out of the lane. Jackson helped remedy that, which also allowed our best wing defender (Kramer) to play off the ball.

I haven't really got a good feel for how well Barlow plays defensively...but if he can help shut down the dribble-drive (which also helps keep JJ out of foul trouble), it would be huge.
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A foot injury that will keep him out nearly the whole season?

This sounds like the dreaded LisFranc injury. Famously debilitating foot injury. Happens when you injure the arch of your foot and it has sidelined the best of em.
If it is LisFranc fracture, it would typically take him six weeks to recover after the operation to repair the displacement. Based on what we're hearing, he probably tore a ligament in his foot...possibly in the LisFranc joint or elsewhere, which of course takes much longer than six weeks in most cases.

But all we've heard is that it might be a while. We haven't heard anything about him missing the whole season or nearly the whole season...just that it seems possible.

Probably just waiting to see the results on how successful the operation was. Then we would know a timeline to his recovery...or at least find out what the injury is.
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A foot injury that will keep him out nearly the whole season?

This sounds like the dreaded LisFranc injury. Famously debilitating foot injury. Happens when you injure the arch of your foot and it has sidelined the best of em.
If it is LisFranc fracture, it would typically take him six weeks to recover after the operation to repair the displacement. Based on what we're hearing, he probably tore a ligament in his foot...possibly in the LisFranc joint or elsewhere, which of course takes much longer than six weeks in most cases.

But all we've heard is that it might be a while. We haven't heard anything about him missing the whole season or nearly the whole season...just that it seems possible.

Probably just waiting to see the results on how successful the operation was. Then we would know a timeline to his recovery...or at least find out what the injury is.
BV --

Did you read Bob's link? Painter said that he was hopeful that he could come back at the end of the Big Ten season and that Jackson could be a redshirt candidate.
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Ouch. I would think if he couldn't be back until at least February that it simply might be better for him to redshirt and keep the extra year.
If he's healthy and can help us win, he'll play this year.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Nov 17 2009, 07:11 PM
Fuck,

I guess KG will be the real X factor this season. KG is best as a catch and shoot guy when the ball comes back out. Playing point it is gonna be hard for him to be set when receiving the ball. KG seemed to be ok with coming off the bench because he still got his minutes. This will hurt the rotation and the amount of rest KG gets. This will affect the tempo we play at. Not a great sign for the team but WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!
Definitely gonna hurt, but it won't kill Grant's game. He played a lot of point his sophomore year when he was stellar.

With the motion offense, the ball moves around so much that he'll still get a lot of opportunities catching it on the perimeter. The biggest problem is going to be what to do with the rotation when Grant needs to sit.
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PG in the motion offense doesn't just set people up. He'll have plenty of chances to catch and shoot.

This is a big loss, especially defensively. He's very important to what we do there. I think we'll see Barlow in the game quite a bit handling the ball. He's really impressed and has some tools that can help this team win this year.
Maybe this brings Smith off the bench and his shooting will open up the court.

Painter will just have to watch the lineup and really think about when to sub. We need to always have three starters on the court and a rotation that compliments that because JJ or Rob will always have to be out there and now we lose are point and the solid 6th man, because he becomes a starter.
Smith was going to play regardless of this injury, but it opens up about 20-25 minutes in the guard rotation. I think about half will go to Barlow and half will go to Smith. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by Smith. Painter is on record as calling him the best shooter on the team.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Nov 17 2009, 09:43 PM
A foot injury that will keep him out nearly the whole season?

This sounds like the dreaded LisFranc injury. Famously debilitating foot injury. Happens when you injure the arch of your foot and it has sidelined the best of em.
If it is LisFranc fracture, it would typically take him six weeks to recover after the operation to repair the displacement. Based on what we're hearing, he probably tore a ligament in his foot...possibly in the LisFranc joint or elsewhere, which of course takes much longer than six weeks in most cases.

But all we've heard is that it might be a while. We haven't heard anything about him missing the whole season or nearly the whole season...just that it seems possible.

Probably just waiting to see the results on how successful the operation was. Then we would know a timeline to his recovery...or at least find out what the injury is.
BV --

Did you read Bob's link? Painter said that he was hopeful that he could come back at the end of the Big Ten season and that Jackson could be a redshirt candidate.
Ah, yes. I saw the Painter quote that Bob had in his post, and assumed it was the same story I read in Indy Star.

Serves me right for assuming!
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I would agree about redshirting off the cuff, but this is gonna be Purdue's championship run. Barring anything drastic happening, Johnson's gonna go pro. We're an upperclassman-led team with tourney experience, and we're gonna lose a decent hunk of that next year. When you add in the Final Four in Indy, you figure this has to be it. Purdue's not the kind of team or program that reloads and makes title run after title run. Right now, this is our best shot for at least a couple years. I think if there's a strong chance that Jackson can come back by February, we could have him for the stretch of the Big Ten schedule and the tournament. As a fan and coach, I would rather he sits out for now and (probably) comes back for the end. If the odds of him returning aren't good, then yeah, take the redshirt.
But would coming back for, say, 10 games this year be what is best for Jackson?

You also have to keep in mind that he will have sat out for a good four months at that point and would have to play himself back into game shape. It's happened more than once that a player has come back and it's disrupted what the team is doing as they aren't on the same page.
What's best for Jackson is obviously up to him alone, but personally, if there were a chance I could come back from an injury and contribute to a deep tourney run, I'd sacrifice most of a season to take that chance.

The second part is worth more consideration to me. But, assuming of course that he was fully healthy, I think Jackson would provide an immediate upgrade to our roster. He learned the offense last year, so he should be comfortable with the style. He fills a void that absolutely no one else can on our team, both offensively and defensively.
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