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BTown's Bottom Line; Updated for UK Game
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dçamden03 Nov 21 2009, 06:03 AM Post #16
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Because none of us could watch the game, there is no BTown's Bottom Line writeup for this game.

I'll keep it short. This team has talent. They're not a bunch of newbie players who have never shot a ball in their lives (except for Tijan), but they continually act like it. I'm not just talking about this year, I'm talking about last season too. If you look at schools like Butler, they aren't bringing in any big time recruits; from an individual perspective, the talent level of their team is remarkably low -- however, they get results on the court. Why? They don't make boneheaded plays. I don't know what it is about this team, whether it's the atmosphere, the play style, or the coaching, but it tends to lead to boneheaded mistakes. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot before we can even think about standing. Until then, it's going to be a long season.
Style of play IMO. IU doesn't have the superior athleticism or skill to play such an up tempo attack. You can't just run up and down on people unless you have those advantages.

And to be honest, I don't think the coaching has been all that great either. And this isn't a Crean at IU thing either, when he was at MU, UW fans used to talk about his poor game coaching, and many UM fans were disappointed with it too at the end of his time there. I like Crean's energy, but I think he has a lot to prove as a game coach and consistent, big time winner.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Bobobinc Nov 21 2009, 10:46 AM Post #17
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Because none of us could watch the game, there is no BTown's Bottom Line writeup for this game.

I'll keep it short. This team has talent. They're not a bunch of newbie players who have never shot a ball in their lives (except for Tijan), but they continually act like it. I'm not just talking about this year, I'm talking about last season too. If you look at schools like Butler, they aren't bringing in any big time recruits; from an individual perspective, the talent level of their team is remarkably low -- however, they get results on the court. Why? They don't make boneheaded plays. I don't know what it is about this team, whether it's the atmosphere, the play style, or the coaching, but it tends to lead to boneheaded mistakes. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot before we can even think about standing. Until then, it's going to be a long season.
Style of play IMO. IU doesn't have the superior athleticism or skill to play such an up tempo attack. You can't just run up and down on people unless you have those advantages.

Agree. Good coaches adapt their playing style to the personnel they have, no matter what sport it is. I also think it's probably one of the most difficult things a coach has to do, especially if he prefers a style of play that doesn't fit the players he has. Gotta maximize the strengths of your team and minimize the weaknesses.

It's so early in the season that I'm sure Crean and many other coaches (Calipari) are still trying to figure out how his team plays in real game situations. If a coach is still forcing his style in the middle of the season there might be a problem.
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i think the biggest thing that needs to improve is defense. These guys have played basketball all their lives but it looks like none of them know how to play D! Even when we were playing teams like Howard they were getting way too many easy buckets. My son is in 7th grade and he knows you can never leave the basket unguarded. Too many times they are helping underneath and leaving a guy wide open for the bunny. This falls on Crean to correct.
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THE GOOD

Bobby Copabiacno- Probably the brightest part of the game for the Hoosiers. He certainly wasn't the best player out there, but he was doing work on the boards -- something which we clearly lacked last game. If he can bring 7-10 boards a game off the bench, he'll be doing more than his fair share.

Free Throw Shooting- Wow, what a turnaround. Seventy-five percent from the line. Not only that, but we got there 28 times. We need to keep this up.

Maurice Creek- This kid is going to be good. He seems to be in the right place at the right time a lot, but that's because he's a player. If anything, we need to find him a lot more on offense, because he can truly produce.

Rebounding- It wasn't particularly good, but we did out-rebound the Patriots by a small margin, which is a big improvement over getting out-rebounded by TWENTY last game.

Improvement- Watch the game against Ole Miss (and the game against Boston U, i'm sure) and then watch this one. Pretty nice improvement. It's still nowhere close to the level of play we need to be at if we even want to compete, but it's a step in the right direction.

THE BAD

Verdell Jones- He forced the action a lot today. He really is much better when he lets the game come to him, and creates his own quality shots. Today he was forcing passes, shots, and trying to do too much on defense. It's just one bad game for him, and I have no doubt that he will bounce back.

Stupid Turnovers- Some could be contributed to the man directly above this point, but everyone on our team was making dumb decisions. We actually had one fewer turnover than did George Mason, but this was a game where we could have easily had single digit turnovers. Once again, we need to let the game come to us, we're forcing the action way too much.

Devan Dumes- Good lord he was at his all-time worse today. Thankfully he only got a few minutes, but in those few minutes he went 0-1 with no points, no assists, no rebounds, and TWO turnovers. That's woeful. We need him to contribute off the bench, so please Devan, figure yourself out please!

The Zone- Why does every big man get their career highs against us? First Murphy Holloway, now Mike Morrsion. We're getting killed on the blocks due to the zone, mostly because of positioning. The problems seem to happen when one of our bigs comes up to support the zone (thus getting out of position), a quick dump pass and there's an easy two points. Tom Pritchard is notorious for being out of position, but it seems to plague more than just him.

"Winning Time"- This team doesn't know how to win, something that will come with time (and wins). Ironically, we played one of our best defensive possessions of the second half, and they banked in a three with the shot clock winding down. A tough way to lose, but a learning experience, I suppose.

Shooting- Thirty-five percent. Blech. The biggest reason for that number is that we were taking very contested shots, or even worse, forcing bad shots. We need to work within the offense more, and that starts with our guards setting guys up better.

THE BOTTOM LINE
At least we showed improvement this game, which is probably the only thing keeping me from going insane. The best part is we get six days to rest and get better before a gimme against Northwestern State. We have a lot of work to do on the offensive end, especially with getting players set up with shots, but I think that will eventually come. Going 0-3 in Puerto Rico is massively disappointing, but I think our young team learned some valuable lessons on the trip. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody, and here's to coming out like gangbusters when we return to the Assembly Hall.
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After watching this team play, I really don't think any game will be a gimme. But there were a couple of things I was glad to see like Bawa getting minutes, Capo playing a whole lot better, and making free throws. Obviously, that day off helped a little bit. It took a miraculous shot for George Mason to win this game, and they've proven to be a quality team after close losses to Nova and GA Tech. Gradually, I think this team will keep getting better. It's obvious that our best players are the freshmen, and as long as they keep improving, this team will make some strives.
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After watching this team play, I really don't think any game will be a gimme.
We beat N'Western State by 18 last year which is why I called it a gimme, but I see your points. However, we should win that game rather easily.
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After watching this team play, I really don't think any game will be a gimme.
We beat N'Western State by 18 last year which is why I called it a gimme, but I see your points. However, we should win that game rather easily.
We beat a team by 18 last year? Wow, that's almost hard to believe with how bad our team was.
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BTown....I think you have been giving Pritchard a pass in your review. IMO, he's been the player that has hurt us the most....continual stupid fouls and lack of production have kept a guy who should be logging 30+ minutes per game to under 20.

He played 14 minutes today and had one rebound. Capo played 17 and had 10 rebounds. Pritchard now has a string of 17 straight games without a double digit rebounding game.

And when Pritchard is out, our lack of big men really gets exploited. We can't expect Capo to give us that production every game...Pritchard's got to do it.
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BTown....I think you have been giving Pritchard a pass in your review. IMO, he's been the player that has hurt us the most....continual stupid fouls and lack of production have kept a guy who should be logging 30+ minutes per game to under 20.

He played 14 minutes today and had one rebound. Capo played 17 and had 10 rebounds. Pritchard now has a string of 17 straight games without a double digit rebounding game.

And when Pritchard is out, our lack of big men really gets exploited. We can't expect Capo to give us that production every game...Pritchard's got to do it.
Yeah, he has been committing a lot of stupid fouls that gets IU's frontcourt into a lot of trouble. Teams are going to exploit that by going to their big men early just to get him out of the game. I think Bawa is more than capable of getting minutes for rebounding/defensive purposes......I didn't see anything to validate Crean saying that he wasn't ready yet. Obviously he isn't going to contribute a lot offensively, but IU is guard heavy anyways and most of their offense is predicated on guard penetration, not posting up.
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BTown....I think you have been giving Pritchard a pass in your review. IMO, he's been the player that has hurt us the most....continual stupid fouls and lack of production have kept a guy who should be logging 30+ minutes per game to under 20.

He played 14 minutes today and had one rebound. Capo played 17 and had 10 rebounds. Pritchard now has a string of 17 straight games without a double digit rebounding game.

And when Pritchard is out, our lack of big men really gets exploited. We can't expect Capo to give us that production every game...Pritchard's got to do it.
Yeah, he has been committing a lot of stupid fouls that gets IU's frontcourt into a lot of trouble. Teams are going to exploit that by going to their big men early just to get him out of the game. I think Bawa is more than capable of getting minutes for rebounding/defensive purposes......I didn't see anything to validate Crean saying that he wasn't ready yet. Obviously he isn't going to contribute a lot offensively, but IU is guard heavy anyways and most of their offense is predicated on guard penetration, not posting up.
Bawa didn't trip, didn't accidentally elbow anyone, and got of the way when we had someone penetrate.

Therefore, he is better than Jobe.
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BTown....I think you have been giving Pritchard a pass in your review. IMO, he's been the player that has hurt us the most....continual stupid fouls and lack of production have kept a guy who should be logging 30+ minutes per game to under 20.

He played 14 minutes today and had one rebound. Capo played 17 and had 10 rebounds. Pritchard now has a string of 17 straight games without a double digit rebounding game.

And when Pritchard is out, our lack of big men really gets exploited. We can't expect Capo to give us that production every game...Pritchard's got to do it.
you're right brum, i haven't called Pritchard out yet. He is constantly out of position which leads to 1) easy baskets 2) fouls or 3) given up rebounds. Part of the reason that I haven't noted him out yet is that he is practically never on the court because he is ALWAYS in foul trouble.
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Pritchard needs to nut up. For real.


Very disappointed with him in regards to how he started off last year, to what he has become now. He's way too soft, puts it up like he's timid about each shot. He lackadaisically goes after the boards, and what's there to say about his playing time and giving up fouls?

The SADDEST thing about it is, he's a SOUTHPAW and gets wide open looks for most of his shots and lay-ins, and STILL misses the shit out of them.
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Like I've said before, Pritchard desperately needs to develop a mid-range game to be effective offensively.
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Like I've said before, Pritchard desperately needs to develop a mid-range game to be effective offensively.
based on his free throw stroke, that is a lost cause. Pritchard = Kyle Taber 2.0.
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Like I've said before, Pritchard desperately needs to develop a mid-range game to be effective offensively.
Gotta hit the close ones first.
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