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BTown's Bottom Line; Updated for UK Game
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brumdog44 Nov 22 2009, 06:54 PM Post #31
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I'm thinking it might be better to bring Pritchard off the bench and give either Elston or Capo the start....and the minimum, it keeps him out of early foul trouble.
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I'm thinking it might be better to bring Pritchard off the bench and give either Elston or Capo the start....and the minimum, it keeps him out of early foul trouble.
I think that would be a good idea too Brum, he seems to get really keyed up at the beginning of the game and makes stupid mistakes and fouls. Maybe he would be better coming off the bench.
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My bottom line: We suck. But we are still cooler than Purdue.
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My bottom line: We suck. But we are still cooler than Purdue.
You've got that going for you......which is nice.
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I'm thinking it might be better to bring Pritchard off the bench and give either Elston or Capo the start....and the minimum, it keeps him out of early foul trouble.
I think that would be a good idea too Brum, he seems to get really keyed up at the beginning of the game and makes stupid mistakes and fouls. Maybe he would be better coming off the bench.
Maybe staying on the bench for a long while might send even a better message.
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let me preface this by saying i'm in no way giving up on this season and will watch whenever i can and hope we somehow surprise a hell of a lot of people. that being said...

this year we at least have guys who can develop into legitimate, productive players. so...play them. there's watford, creek, elston, capo, bawa, hulls, VJIII and rivers (there's still hope here i believe). nobody else should ever see over 10 minutes a game unless dire circumstances warrant...pritchard due to the lack of size would seem the most obvious.

got to look toward the big 10 campaign...

the 0-3 in PR was disappointing, but a 1-2 had to be expected. it was, as others have noted, the BU loss that really sucked.

let's see how they respond...
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After watching this team play, I really don't think any game will be a gimme.
We beat N'Western State by 18 last year which is why I called it a gimme, but I see your points. However, we should win that game rather easily.
We beat a team by 18 last year? Wow, that's almost hard to believe with how bad our team was.
The hardest thing to believe is I'm 99% sure it was the opening game of the season.
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After watching this team play, I really don't think any game will be a gimme.
We beat N'Western State by 18 last year which is why I called it a gimme, but I see your points. However, we should win that game rather easily.
We beat a team by 18 last year? Wow, that's almost hard to believe with how bad our team was.
The hardest thing to believe is I'm 99% sure it was the opening game of the season.
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the bottom line is: once again Crean and his staff are not getting it done the last 5 minutes of the game against mediocre teams. Either its his direct coaching and poor preparation of the players. Either way he's to blame.

No excuse for losing to BU and GU was throw away as well. Completely unacceptable.
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THE GOOD

Maurice Creek- I don't even know if i should continue including him in the Good since it should just be assumed every game. He is going to be our go-to scorer for years to come, and I feel comfortable with him in that position.

Free Throw Shooting- Not only did the Hoosiers shoot 77%, they also had 44 attempts. The referees were a bit whistle-happy the entire game on both sides, but to see us hit 77% is promising, especially considering our early season struggles.

Derek Elston- Whenever he was in the game, it just seemed like the Hoosiers were a far better team. He didn't have any trouble grabbing boards, given that we were playing an undersized team, and he is a good scorer. I would rather him be the first off the bench in place of Pritchard.

Devan Dumes- I wouldn't describe his performance as particularly good, but I've been on his ass all season, so I guess I should give him credit where credit is due. Take notes Devan, you need to be having games like this from here on out.

THE BAD

Tom Pritchard- Same ol', same ol' for Tom. He is constantly out of positions, he gives up stupid fouls, and he's a non-factor on the offensive side. We either need to get quality play for down low, or we need to just give up the 5 position and just play all guards (which I'm perfectly fine doing).

Substitutions- I don't understand what Crean is trying to do with 1) bringing in Tijan and Danielle Moore and 2) constantly making subs when it seems like we're gaining momentum. I'll start of with #1. Tijan Jobe is a practice dummy, nothing more, nothing less. He brings nothing to the table, and acts like he's playing volleyball. #2, every time we got anything going with Creek or Elston, Crean made a substitution and took them out. It really takes all the flow and momentum away from the game, which is a real shame.

Rebounding- We only outrebounded them by 1, which is disgusting given the height disparity between the two teams. For some reason, it seems like the biggest problem is our own guys fighting each other for boards. How many times have we lost boards out of bounds this season because our own two guys were fighting for the ball? Communication boys!


THE BOTTOM LINE
Personally, this is what I expected to see this game. It seemed like we played much better in the second half during those stretches where Elston was in than we did in the first half. I think Crean is still trying to tinker with finding the right lineup, but right now it's killing our momentum with the constant subs. Hopefully we can get our act together before we play Maryland, Pitt, and Kentucky on national television. Until then, all we can do is pray (and hope Josh Selby doesn't watch).
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THE GOOD

IU Fan Support- It was nice to see Assembly Hall rocking again like back to pre-destruction days. It's not just putting fans in seats, it's getting them to go crazy. The Kentucky game will be nuts too, I assume.

Maurice Creek- There really is no point in putting him here every game. The guy was hitting big shots for us all game, and kept us in it for a long time. The only knock I have on him so far is that he seems to lock up at the end of the game. The first 75% of the game he's lights out, but he can't buy a basket when the game is on the line. He's still young, so I think that will improve.

Christian Watford- Christian really settled in and had himself a good game. He filled the stat sheet, and had two big blocks and a steal in the second half. He's playing out of position, so it's been a rough transition for him so far, but hopefully he can keep carrying the load down low.

Jeremiah Rivers- He's the best playmaker we have right now. The steal, dunk, and block were all ridiculously athletic plays that we used to see in the days of old. He's got to tighten up some areas of his game, but he's really playing well right now.

The First Half- Wow, we played well for the first 15 minutes of that game. We need to somehow find a way to carry that into the latter stages of the game, but I'm sure that's something that we will figure out in due time.

Rebounding- Honestly, I'm shocked that I'm able to put this in "the good", because it's certainly not an area that we'd find success in tonight. Overall we out rebounded them by just one, but we had twenty -- TWENTY -- offensive boards. We seriously need to keep that up, the put backs will fall eventually.

Turnovers- The ugly turnovers were still there, but we really kept it under control against one of the best teams in the nation at forcing turnovers -- and we forced them to turn the ball over 8 more times than they average per game. It's getting better, baby steps.

THE BAD

Tom Pritchard?- Hello? Anybody home?

Substitutions- Having Tijan Jobe and Danielle Moore on the court at the same time with 12 minutes to go is absolutely unacceptable. Period. The end.

Winning time- We have got to learn how to win down the stretch. It's something that we haven't just struggled with this season, but we also struggled with it last year. Youth has something to do with it, but this squad needs to learn quick.

Sophomores- Where are you at Sophomore class? The freshmen are showing you up. Verdell Jones played his second horrid game in a row. The only bright spot of Verdell's night was 10 rebounds.

Shooting- Shooting 33% from the field won't win you games very often. Or ever. We had success when they were pressuring and showing the full court press (shockingly); but when they showed zone we looked like we'd never seen that before. Elston and Watford are perfect players for attacking a zone defense, but we didn't have any plays for them. Work on that Tommy boy, because we're going to be seeing a lot of zone now.

Devan Dumes- 2-10 shooting when most of his shots were uncontested. That's just bad. We need him to hit shots when he is standing wide open.

THE BOTTOM LINE
I heard Jay Bilas say "this team is too young to be winning games like this" and I suppose that he's right. This is a game that could have been a big momentum builder for the young Hoosiers, but I suppose it will just serve as another "learning opportunity". We need to find someone to score for us down the stretch, personally I think Mo Creek is the best suited for that spot, we just need to help him find his own down the stretch. The next few games aren't going to get any easier, actually they'll probably be much, much harder. Hopefully we'll see some meaningful improvement the next two as we head into an easier stretch over the holidays. Hey, if the games were only 30 minutes we'd be 5-1!
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I'm fucking tired of "learning opportunities." I agree with everything you said above.
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here's the scoop from one fuckng frustrated hoosier fan...

1 - this team will go as far as watford can develop. creek's numbers may be more gaudy at the moment, but it's watford's skills that offer the most upside.

2 - crean can coach...the players have to execute. we saw it last year too...so many in-bounds plays that were drawn up to perfection...only to have the personnel fail to execute. SHOOT THE FUCKING BASKETBALL!!!!

3 - pritchard is horrendous...or maybe better said, play FUCKING BAWA!!!! this team is not winning any tournament, let alone be in any tournament. but, if there is any chance in hell of that happening then we need bawa big time come big ten season. and moreover, we need him even more next year. if we can start rivers, creek, watford, elston and muniru next year...i'd feel pretty good about some post-season play. but BAWA NEEDS THE EXPERIENCE!!!

4 - hulls was okay...he and rivers can double as a formidable point combination.

5 - as others have said...crean's big mistake was that line-up with hulls, moore and jobe on the court at once...most importantly hulls and moore. hate to jump on the negative bandwagon...but there is no time when moore should be on the court.

6 - VJIII has to step it up. period. we need him.

7 - next year at this time we'll be talking about how we're still young...and we will be.

8 - if the big ten can't win a challenge with psu and nwu (in a relative blowout on the road) winning...then pack it up.

9 - we have to beat pittsburgh...for several reasons. and, we should.
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THE GOOD

IU Fan Support- It was on my template so I kept it here. Pitt was supposed to dominate us in fan support, but it was the other way around. Good showing by the Hoosier faithful.

VERDELL JONES THE THIRD- He gets his name in all caps for this performance. Bravo! Encore! Encore! VJ brought his game to MSG tonight, and the team could not have won without him. 22 points, over 50% from the floor, 2 turnovers, and 3 assists. Oh, and did I mention that he got to the charity stripe 10 times? Yes, please!

Christian Watford- He struggles to shoot the ball, and he's having trouble figuring out which shots are good to take, and which shots are bad to take, but he'll get there. What I'm most impressed with are his 13 free throw attempts. Keep it up big fellow, and did I mention that he got 3 blocks? Watford is using his athleticism well on the defensive end, he just needs to translate that to getting his shot to fall.

Jeremiah Rivers- The stat line will never show his impact on the game, and that's just the type of player that Jeremiah is. First of all, he was the vocal leader on the court. He's been there before, and he lead the team to a win on their biggest stage thus far. Keep battling through the back issues, because we need him on the floor.

Ball Control- 10 turnovers on the game, and we were +5 in that category. It seemed like we were on 1 for quite some time, which was a huge contributing factor to us holding on to the lead. The retarded mistakes that plagued this team last year, and the first part of this season seem to be creeping away. We need to tighten up a few loose ends, but we're getting better in the turnover department.

Defense- Pitt isn't going to ever write the book on offense, but we held them down pretty well. This was the best our zone has ever looked, and we were scrappy and intense. We beat Pitt at their own game.

Winning- Need I say anymore? How good does it feel? This is a HUGE confidence builder, regardless of the quality of the Pitt team we faced. MSG, ESPN, bright lights, big win. Awesome!

THE BAD

Tom Pritchard- Same old story, he got off to a great start, though. If he can get into position, and stop playing defense with his feet, he has the potential to make a difference on the floor for us. Right now it's all about stupid fouls. As hard as it seems, sometimes when you're out of position you just have to let a guy score. How many times did Pritchard foul a guy that was going up for an easy dunk, giving him a 3-point play? You can't do that, and you can't keep yourself off the floor -- mostly, because we can't afford Tijan Jobe to be on the floor.

Closing Out- Phew. I guess we didn't want to make it too pretty. That's definitely something we need to practice on more because better teams will kill us in that situation. Closing out is something that veteran teams do -- see Maryland. We'll figure it out, we need games like this to help us make better decisions in future games. My hope is that the next game we're protecting a lead, we close out better than this game.

THE BOTTOM LINE
That's the biggest win for Indiana in the last two seasons, bar none, and probably the biggest win since we beat Michigan State in February of 2008. It's been a while. It doesn't matter how good Pitt is this year because that's 1) a Big East team, 2) a team that was 7-1, 3) a team with a fabulous record the last few seasons, and 4) a game that we performed well on a big stage. I'm totally shocked about the outcome of the game tonight, and it's good to get a victory. Let's build on this one, and hopefully move into the Big Ten season on a nice roll.
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Really feel bad for Pritchard. He came out on a mission and really looked active. Too bad he fouls cuz at first it looked like this may be his breakout game.
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