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OT: Heisman Trophy Finalists
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Boiler_22 Dec 7 2009, 07:53 PM Post #16
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Dec 7 2009, 06:23 PM
it's LAUGHABLE that mccoy and tebow are on that list.
Are you serious? WHY and who else would you put in there?
CJ Spiller
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=192151

No, 9 times held under 100 yards, 3 times under 50. He has a great game in the ACC championship game but overall not even close to Tebow or McCoy.

Will be a great pro running back though. Would love to see the Chargers pick him up.
More than just a running back.

2500 all purpose yards, 21 total touchdowns, almost 6 yards/carry
Im not saying he's a bad player but Heisman consideration over Tebow and McCoy no way. His team lost 5 games, and didnt even finish in the top 25. Like it or not part of being a Heisman winner has always had a lot to do about how good your team was. Tebow and McCoy both had really good stats while leading Top 5 teams.

Would I take Spiller, Clausen and a bunch of other guys ahead of Tebow and McCoy in the NFL Draft absoultely, but thats not what the Heisman trophy is about.
Agree, but the question was who else would you put on there? I think Spiller could make his case, along with Kellen Moore.
I see what your saying but do you honestly think both of those guys deserve to be in there over Tebow and McCoy.
Kellen Moore's stats blow either of them away. Tebow's stats are pretty down for what he's done the last 2 years. In truth I haven't seen these guys play enough to say one deserves to be there over another, but I certainly wouldn't have complained if Moore or Spiller were invited and Tebow or McCoy were left at home.
Moore a maybe, but there schedule is really bad, and on Spiller we are just going to have to agree to disagree cause I say no way.
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why do there have to be 5? why not 3?

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tebow or McCoy were left at home.
that would be great, but would never happen.
I think McCoy will win it :puke:
I really like Kellen Moore though (not to win the Heisman ) and to think he is only a So.
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How I'd vote:
1. Suh
2. Gerhart
3. Ingram
4. McCoy
5. Tebow

It will probably end up being the complete opposite of that, except with McCoy winning it. I just feel like they decided a long time ago that was who they were going to give it to.
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why do there have to be 5? why not 3?

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THere isn't always 5. I am not sure how they determine who will come to New York. i think it has to do with the percentage of votes.
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why do there have to be 5? why not 3?

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THere isn't always 5. I am not sure how they determine who will come to New York. i think it has to do with the percentage of votes.
...i bet it was 4 until Saturday night...then Suh gave them no choice but to make it 5...
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I would say Kellen Moore is the player most deserving to replace anyone on that list.

Colt McCoy quadrupled the number of interceptions that Moore threw.....you can say what you want to about the competition Moore played against, but McCoy wouldn't have put up the same numbers that Moore did playing against that level.

The Heisman should go to the Rodgers brothers at Oregon State:

Running back Jazquizz Rodgers: 255 carries, 1,377 yards, 20 rushing touchdowns; 74 catches, 509 yards, 1 TD; 1 of 1 passing for 14 yards and a touchdown.

Wide receiver James Rodgers: 87 catches, 1004 yards, 9 TDs; 54 rushes for 289 yards, 1 TD; 920 return yards.

That's a total of 4119 all-purpose yards for the duo and 31 touchdowns scored. And, BTW, Jazquizz is just a sophomore and James is a junior.
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The Heisman should go to the Rodgers brothers at Oregon State:

Running back Jazquizz Rodgers: 255 carries, 1,377 yards, 20 rushing touchdowns; 74 catches, 509 yards, 1 TD; 1 of 1 passing for 14 yards and a touchdown.

Wide receiver James Rodgers: 87 catches, 1004 yards, 9 TDs; 54 rushes for 289 yards, 1 TD; 920 return yards.

That's a total of 4119 all-purpose yards for the duo and 31 touchdowns scored. And, BTW, Jazquizz is just a sophomore and James is a junior.
And neither one of them top 5-8 190 lbs
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Dec 7 2009, 06:23 PM
it's LAUGHABLE that mccoy and tebow are on that list.
Are you serious? WHY and who else would you put in there?
CJ Spiller
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=192151

No, 9 times held under 100 yards, 3 times under 50. He has a great game in the ACC championship game but overall not even close to Tebow or McCoy.

Will be a great pro running back though. Would love to see the Chargers pick him up.
More than just a running back.

2500 all purpose yards, 21 total touchdowns, almost 6 yards/carry
Im not saying he's a bad player but Heisman consideration over Tebow and McCoy no way. His team lost 5 games, and didnt even finish in the top 25. Like it or not part of being a Heisman winner has always had a lot to do about how good your team was. Tebow and McCoy both had really good stats while leading Top 5 teams.

Would I take Spiller, Clausen and a bunch of other guys ahead of Tebow and McCoy in the NFL Draft absoultely, but thats not what the Heisman trophy is about.
are you serious? it's like the inane heisman committee all over again. i.e. team wins mean more than anything else. the heisman is (or more accurate was) about the best college player. no way tebow and mccoy come close to that this year.
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Dec 7 2009, 06:23 PM
it's LAUGHABLE that mccoy and tebow are on that list.
Are you serious? WHY and who else would you put in there?
CJ Spiller
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=192151

No, 9 times held under 100 yards, 3 times under 50. He has a great game in the ACC championship game but overall not even close to Tebow or McCoy.

Will be a great pro running back though. Would love to see the Chargers pick him up.
More than just a running back.

2500 all purpose yards, 21 total touchdowns, almost 6 yards/carry
Im not saying he's a bad player but Heisman consideration over Tebow and McCoy no way. His team lost 5 games, and didnt even finish in the top 25. Like it or not part of being a Heisman winner has always had a lot to do about how good your team was. Tebow and McCoy both had really good stats while leading Top 5 teams.

Would I take Spiller, Clausen and a bunch of other guys ahead of Tebow and McCoy in the NFL Draft absoultely, but thats not what the Heisman trophy is about.
Agree, but the question was who else would you put on there? I think Spiller could make his case, along with Kellen Moore.
I see what your saying but do you honestly think both of those guys deserve to be in there over Tebow and McCoy.
Kellen Moore's stats blow either of them away. Tebow's stats are pretty down for what he's done the last 2 years. In truth I haven't seen these guys play enough to say one deserves to be there over another, but I certainly wouldn't have complained if Moore or Spiller were invited and Tebow or McCoy were left at home.
Tebow's stats are down, but Moore's stats are blown way up by competition, whether people want to admit it or not.

Spiller has a legitimate argument, but not against Tebow or McCoy, but against Suh.
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you can say what you want to about the competition Moore played against, but McCoy wouldn't have put up the same numbers that Moore did playing against that level.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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you can say what you want to about the competition Moore played against, but McCoy wouldn't have put up the same numbers that Moore did playing against that level.
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Check the numbers. Kellen Moore got picked three times, McCoy twelve. Competition can't explain that away.

Secondly, McCoy has one of the best receivers in the game on his side. Combine that with the fact that McCoy has been nothing more than a dink and dunk quarterback and you'll see that his numbers wouldn't improve that much.

Lastly, the Big 12 this year has been pretty weak. Sagarin ratings will tell you that Texas' SOS was 44th, roughly a touchdown per game tougher than Boise's. The disparity between the two player's stats was wider than that.
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FWIW I think it should go to the most outstanding player in college football regardless of what team they play for, what the team record is, or what position they play.
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you can say what you want to about the competition Moore played against, but McCoy wouldn't have put up the same numbers that Moore did playing against that level.
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Check the numbers. Kellen Moore got picked three times, McCoy twelve. Competition can't explain that away.

Secondly, McCoy has one of the best receivers in the game on his side. Combine that with the fact that McCoy has been nothing more than a dink and dunk quarterback and you'll see that his numbers wouldn't improve that much.

Lastly, the Big 12 this year has been pretty weak. Sagarin ratings will tell you that Texas' SOS was 44th, roughly a touchdown per game tougher than Boise's. The disparity between the two player's stats was wider than that.
Saying McCoy wouldn't have put up those numbers is a bit baffling to me because last year, he in fact did put those type numbers, and against much stiffer competition.

I'd take McCoy as my QB any day of the week over Kellen Moore, and that has nothing to do with Moore being bad. I think he's a very, very good QB, but I think McCoy is great.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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FWIW I think it should go to the most outstanding player in college football regardless of what team they play for, what the team record is, or what position they play.
That's a nice sentiment, but it hasn't ever been that way. It's sad that it's a mostly offensive oriented, media driven award; it's just the way it is. Fortunately for all the other players that may be equally deserving, or even more deserving, the award doesn't have any affect on how well anybody plays in the NFL.
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