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| panchen_lama | Dec 8 2009, 02:09 AM Post #1 |
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sure would be nice to have, say, two of four...crawford, halloway, keeling, holman. i'm all for winning the right way and love the tactical game...but damn, these guys are essentially the core of two other division one teams. get dumbass out of there along with jobe and your walk-on of choice and the hoosiers are at least 5-2 now. but, okay, i'm done dreaming...it was just nice to think about for a moment. big game against pitt tomorrow. time to step up on the national stage. a solid core rotation of 7 needs to step forward... |
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| BTown11 | Dec 8 2009, 02:27 AM Post #2 |
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we will embarrass ourselves on national TV when Crean plays Tijan Jobe. |
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| panchen_lama | Dec 8 2009, 02:33 AM Post #3 |
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true enough...but jobe wasn't exactly included in the core rotation. of course, what the core rotation desperately lacks is a big man with skills... |
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| BTown11 | Dec 8 2009, 02:35 AM Post #4 |
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the fact that we're sad enough to play Tijan Jobe 14 minutes a game will show people that we're still a joke. Even though we have better options, people who are casually watching (there will be a lot of them tomorrow), will say, "wow, look how far IU has dipped, playing guys like that.", and that's what will kill our program -- a negative perception. |
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| BTown11 | Dec 8 2009, 02:41 AM Post #5 |
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to continue on that point, i hate how Crean paints us as the Little Sisters of the Poor. Stop making excuses, buck up, and come up with an actual game plan! |
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| panchen_lama | Dec 8 2009, 02:45 AM Post #6 |
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yeah...i like where you're going with that. but the facts are what they are. we lack size. and i don't see how we're correcting that next year...unless bawa develops monumentally. so, jobe's going to run and play. if pitt can be coaxed into a full court game then the shortcomings might be somewhat masked, but half-court it will be laughable...accepted. but, again, that's the way it is at the moment. |
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| BTown11 | Dec 8 2009, 02:50 AM Post #7 |
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If Pitt doesn't play the zone trap tomorrow, they obviously never watched game film. Combine our turnovers, with our lack of offense in the zone, and you have the makings of a very ugly game. Add to that that MSG isn't a very shooter-friendly arena because of the lighting, the fact that Pitt will have home court advantage, and the fact that this will be the biggest stage far and away for every player on our roster -- and you might see an extremely poor game by us. Wouldn't be surprised to see us score under 50. |
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| dçamden03 | Dec 8 2009, 05:31 AM Post #8 |
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I think the youth and lack of talent is apparent, but I agree that the coach should not publicly point that out. IMO that's not how you build a program. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| dedicatedIUfan | Dec 8 2009, 09:19 AM Post #9 |
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That is kind of what I have been saying too. I don't see a game plan and our inside game is non-existent. You have to play inside out and we can't do that with no post player. |
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| Scoutin1 | Dec 8 2009, 10:44 AM Post #10 |
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I see what you're saying, and agree to an extent. But, if IU was ever to quickly get completely past the transgressions of the Sampson era, this is what had to happen. It's unfortunate that character wasn't high on Sampson's list of traits he wanted to see in a basketball player. We all just have to believe that, ultimately, Crean is worth the salary that he's being paid; that he possesses the coaching moxie to develop this highly touted freshman class into solid college players. For me, the clock started running on Crean this year; I never believed that this season would yield many more wins that last year. What I do expect to see is significant improvement over the course of the season. It's unfortunate that IU -- through poor decision making in the athletic department and higher up -- has brought the basketball program to this point. But going forward, I prefer this diligent approach rather than a quick fix, win now approach -- aka the Sampson way. |
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| tkeena33 | Dec 8 2009, 12:36 PM Post #11 |
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I would like to think most people agree with this. Unfortunately, it seems like some people don't agree and it might be spreading. |
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| dedicatedIUfan | Dec 8 2009, 01:16 PM Post #12 |
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I think most of us are trying to be patient. It wouldn't surprise if someone has started a firetomcrean.com website. I am not throwing in the towel on Crean just yet. I agree with Scoutin that the clock started ticking on Crean this year. So far the only complaint I have is in his game preparation and discipline of players not performing up to standards or potential. Maybe he is preparing them well, but their youth comes out and they don't execute. The discipline is the still the biggest head scratcher. I can't figure out why Pritchard is still playing when he isn't performing. The guy came to school this summer 25 lbs overweight and out of shape. Then the guy continues to make stupid, stupid fouls and gets into foul problems early. Why not set the kid a few games to light a fire under his ass. I would much rather see Bawa play than to allow Pritchard to continue making the same mistakes. Also, it is obvious that Pritchard didn't work on his game during the offseason or he would be shooting free throws much better and he would have developed somewhat of a midrange game. The other think you notice is Dumbass (Dumes) launching ill advised threes. He isn't our go to guy anymore and needs to know his role. If he doesn't understand or know his role, then put him on the bench with the other dirtbags until he gets the message. The last thing I want to discuss is the fact the he doesn't play Bawa. I know he says he isn't ready or whatever, but I would much rather see Bawa play than to watch Jobe make an ass out of himself and Pritchard not producing. These are just my opinions and don't bash me for it. |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Dec 8 2009, 02:10 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah... those are the idiots you've got to ignore. They know nothing about the game, and probably think they could coach IU's team. NOBODY ever said this wouldn't take time or be easy... and sure enough... we all were right. Some people are just pissed off that they're right, so they're already blaming CTC for it. Others, who are knowledgeable and PATIENT, know that we're doing just fine. Freshmen are still freshmen. every year from THIS year on out, should see vast improvement. Last season was a joke, and anyone holding CTC accountable for that record is brain dead. |
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| Evilempire | Dec 8 2009, 07:39 PM Post #14 |
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It's not about the players we have, it's about a coach who has made so many boneheaded strategic moves that is getting some people concerned. Players make the same dumb mistakes game after game, and nothing happens to their minutes. Anytime IU gets into a close game, they shit down their own legs. Crean tries to run n gun with a run n gun team with better players/athletes.............which leads to losses in the next 2 games because they are too tired to move their feet and end up reaching on defense instead..........and then Crean calls them out for it? I won't even bring up all of the bonehead moves in close games last year. The difference between the homers and the realists is that the homers have believed Crean is the savior from day 1, while the realists are looking for signs that he is truly the right guy for the job. Crean has done absolutely nothing since he got to IU that shows me that he is truly the right guy for the job. Getting outcoached repeatedly, throwing players under the bus, poor game management, terrible game plans, not punishing players for poor play, etc. I really hope things change, but you are what you repeatedly do............and proving that you are a good coach is not something Crean has repeatedly done. |
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