Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Logo
Search Members FAQ Portal
  • Navigation
  • Our Hoosier Board
  • →
  • Big Ten Sports
  • →
  • Hoosier Sports
  • →
  • What has to happen for us to start winning.
Welcome to Our Hoosier Board!

Most of the posters here have been around for nearly a decade now. You'll find their knowledge and insight to be second to none. We have a really strong community and value everyone's opinions.

Feel free to jump into any thread and voice your opinion with conviction. We love heated debates and even some fanbase ribbing from time to time. We pride ourselves on the lack of moderation needed to make this board successful.

Please remember that we have been around many years and have an astute ability to tell the difference between an immature, childish, trash-talking troll and a passionate fan voicing his or her opinion. It is at the discretion of Jazen and myself whether any moderating actions should be taken at any given time. It's a very, very rare thing. In other words, no worries....you'll be fine!

Cheers,
sirbrianwilson

Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
What has to happen for us to start winning.
Tweet Topic Started: Dec 13 2009, 11:44 AM (357 Views)
dedicatedIUfan Dec 13 2009, 11:44 AM Post #1
Coach
Posts:
8,724
Group:
Members
Member
#93
Joined:
February 7, 2008
IMO, what has to happen for us to really compete and start winning consistently is our bigs have to start producing, specifically Pritchard. I think once we start getting consistent contributions from him, we will be a much better team. I think if our bigs would have stepped up yesterday and not allow those second chance points we wouldn't have lost by double digits. I beleive they got something like 26 or 28 second chance points (I really miss a guy like DJ White or Alan Henderson). If we only give up half those, we lose by 3 or 4 points. That was the biggest difference is yesterday's game and will be the biggest difference the rest of the year if Crean doesn't correct this now. Getting outrebounded is one thing, but giving up 21 offensive rebonds, which was almost half of their rebound total, is uncalled for.

I think we played pretty well in the other parts of the game. We only turned the ball over 9 times against a pretty good defensive team and we shot close to 50%. With the exception of free throw shooting and getting to the line more, we played pretty well overall. Also, in the last two games against pretty good defensive teams, we have averaged 9.5 turnovers. Didn't average like 18 or 20 last year? Crean has seem to correct that part of the game.

We have three games left in the nonconference schedule against teams that we should beat by 20-30 points, Crean should use those games to correct this and make this a focus before the start of the B10 season. Also, I would also like to see Bawa get more minutes during these three games. If he isn't going to redshirt him, then I would like to see him play more than Jobe.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dreachon Dec 13 2009, 12:36 PM Post #2
Member Avatar
Creative Title Here
Posts:
24,071
Group:
Members
Member
#148
Joined:
February 10, 2008
Slow and steady wins the race. A couple things to note here.

1) It took (is taking us) more than a year to finally lower our turnovers. Much of that is having better ball handlers in the game with Rivers and Hulls. Much of that is being more comfortable in the offense. Knowing where the ball needs to go and how to get it there. It's also an attitude change on. It's just not something you can change overnight.

2) Thinking about how long it took a guy like DJ White to become a dominant rebounder really opened my eyes to the fact that rebounding isn't just being inside and crashing the boards. Rebounding is an attitude. It's a mental realization that you have got to exert 100% energy nearly 100 times during the game. It's getting to the point that when the ball is in the air, it's your instinct to go after it. Like the turnover issue, it's just not something Crean is going to be able to fix in 3 or 4 games. We can get better. We can crash the boards and fight more. But you look at teams like Michigan State and rebounding is a part of their culture. It's in their basketball DNA. That takes time, and we're not there yet.
Edited by dreachon, Dec 13 2009, 12:36 PM.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tkeena33 Dec 13 2009, 12:46 PM Post #3
Member Avatar
Assistant Coach
Posts:
2,255
Group:
Members
Member
#29
Joined:
February 5, 2008
Tom Crean tweetfest today about his take on the game and the team. Not too much we didn't already know, but just a look at what he's thinking...

http://www.twitter.com/tomcrean
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dedicatedIUfan Dec 13 2009, 02:32 PM Post #4
Coach
Posts:
8,724
Group:
Members
Member
#93
Joined:
February 7, 2008
tkeena33
Dec 13 2009, 12:46 PM
Tom Crean tweetfest today about his take on the game and the team. Not too much we didn't already know, but just a look at what he's thinking...

http://www.twitter.com/tomcrean
Great stuff. He pretty much addresses the need to get better from our bigs. Also, something tells me he might go after a big if Selby doesn't commit. I know this is a bad word and I didn't want Crean to go this route, but a good academically high character juco inside player like a Dean Garrett type might help this team next year. Somebody that could fill an inside presence, shot blocker, rebounder, etc. I definitely think we could use an experience down low player that can play good solid interior defense and go get a defensive rebound. If he blocks shots and scores 8-10 a game, that would even be a plus. Also, that would put 4 players in Jones, Pritchard, and Roth's graduating class. He also talks about class balance, wouldn't that fill a void.

I know how we all fill about JUCO's but just this one time could really help next year. I honestly think we could be in the upper half of the B10 next year and a JUCO that fits the description above could definitely help go in that direction. This is only my opinion, don't bash to bad.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dreachon Dec 13 2009, 02:41 PM Post #5
Member Avatar
Creative Title Here
Posts:
24,071
Group:
Members
Member
#148
Joined:
February 10, 2008
dedicatedIUfan
Dec 13 2009, 02:32 PM
tkeena33
Dec 13 2009, 12:46 PM
Tom Crean tweetfest today about his take on the game and the team. Not too much we didn't already know, but just a look at what he's thinking...

http://www.twitter.com/tomcrean
Great stuff. He pretty much addresses the need to get better from our bigs. Also, something tells me he might go after a big if Selby doesn't commit. I know this is a bad word and I didn't want Crean to go this route, but a good academically high character juco inside player like a Dean Garrett type might help this team next year. Somebody that could fill an inside presence, shot blocker, rebounder, etc. I definitely think we could use an experience down low player that can play good solid interior defense and go get a defensive rebound. If he blocks shots and scores 8-10 a game, that would even be a plus. Also, that would put 4 players in Jones, Pritchard, and Roth's graduating class. He also talks about class balance, wouldn't that fill a void.

I know how we all fill about JUCO's but just this one time could really help next year. I honestly think we could be in the upper half of the B10 next year and a JUCO that fits the description above could definitely help go in that direction. This is only my opinion, don't bash to bad.
I don't feel JUCO is a bad word.

Recruiting is about getting the right players for you program. I don't care if they're 5 stars, JUCOs, local boys, etc. The Indiana program is about putting a top quality squad on the floor who perform well academically. If a JUCO can help us reach that goal, so be it.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dedicatedIUfan Dec 13 2009, 03:29 PM Post #6
Coach
Posts:
8,724
Group:
Members
Member
#93
Joined:
February 7, 2008
dreachon
Dec 13 2009, 02:41 PM
dedicatedIUfan
Dec 13 2009, 02:32 PM
tkeena33
Dec 13 2009, 12:46 PM
Tom Crean tweetfest today about his take on the game and the team. Not too much we didn't already know, but just a look at what he's thinking...

http://www.twitter.com/tomcrean
Great stuff. He pretty much addresses the need to get better from our bigs. Also, something tells me he might go after a big if Selby doesn't commit. I know this is a bad word and I didn't want Crean to go this route, but a good academically high character juco inside player like a Dean Garrett type might help this team next year. Somebody that could fill an inside presence, shot blocker, rebounder, etc. I definitely think we could use an experience down low player that can play good solid interior defense and go get a defensive rebound. If he blocks shots and scores 8-10 a game, that would even be a plus. Also, that would put 4 players in Jones, Pritchard, and Roth's graduating class. He also talks about class balance, wouldn't that fill a void.

I know how we all fill about JUCO's but just this one time could really help next year. I honestly think we could be in the upper half of the B10 next year and a JUCO that fits the description above could definitely help go in that direction. This is only my opinion, don't bash to bad.
I don't feel JUCO is a bad word.

Recruiting is about getting the right players for you program. I don't care if they're 5 stars, JUCOs, local boys, etc. The Indiana program is about putting a top quality squad on the floor who perform well academically. If a JUCO can help us reach that goal, so be it.
I just feel like that is where we are at right now and the would meet Crean's needs. Unless Pritchard and Elston start stepping up, mostly Pritchard, then I feel Crean would have no choice but to go after a JUCO with decent size and rebounding capabilities.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
panchen_lama Dec 13 2009, 04:17 PM Post #7
Coach
Posts:
3,423
Group:
Members
Member
#336
Joined:
June 30, 2009
yes we have to address rebounding and yes it takes an attitude with which to do it. that's why i would like to see elston start along with jobe. jones would be the 6th man and first back-up to SF and SG as well as the 3rd PG. elston starting will help take pressure off watford on the glass (pritchard is a non-factor), and hopefully reap offensive dividends. and elston brings that mentality...he was pretty much the only one to go after anything on the offensive glass, along with watford on one occasion. elston has the attitude. and while jobe is not good...he throws people to the ground, literally, and can run. pritchard is soft and incredibly unatheletic. the 'center' position can be quickly rotated with capo and bawa playing their fair time. we have to find out who can rebound and play big in the middle (it's not pritchard)...and i agree we need to find out over the course of the next three games.

but hey, we should beat last season's win total before the big 10 starts and arguably against better competition.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
eelbor Dec 13 2009, 04:54 PM Post #8
Member Avatar
Zen Master
Posts:
10,606
Group:
Members
Member
#30
Joined:
February 5, 2008
You will win 5 of the next 7. Mark it down.
Posted Image

"Liberal, shmiberal. That should be a new word. Shmiberal: one who is assumed liberal, just because he's a professional whiner in the newspaper. If you'll read the subtext for many of those old strips, you'll find the heart of an old-fashioned Libertarian. And I'd be a Libertarian, if they weren't all a bunch of tax-dodging professional whiners." - Berkeley Breathed


Meat is Murder. Sweet, delicious murder.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
yawnzzz Dec 13 2009, 04:59 PM Post #9
Member Avatar
Coach
Posts:
4,964
Group:
Members
Member
#58
Joined:
February 6, 2008
eelbor
Dec 13 2009, 04:54 PM
You will win 5 of the next 7. Mark it down.
You think we beat Michigan and Illinois at home? Possible, but I'd probably go 50/50 on it right now.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
eelbor Dec 13 2009, 05:01 PM Post #10
Member Avatar
Zen Master
Posts:
10,606
Group:
Members
Member
#30
Joined:
February 5, 2008
yawnzzz
Dec 13 2009, 04:59 PM
eelbor
Dec 13 2009, 04:54 PM
You will win 5 of the next 7. Mark it down.
You think we beat Michigan and Illinois at home? Possible, but I'd probably go 50/50 on it right now.
No I think you will beat OSU and Michigan on the Road. ;) j/k



If the team that played the first half against Kentucky can play two consecutive halfs I see no reason why you couldn't sweep Michigan. Illinios is not playing well at all up to this point either.
Posted Image

"Liberal, shmiberal. That should be a new word. Shmiberal: one who is assumed liberal, just because he's a professional whiner in the newspaper. If you'll read the subtext for many of those old strips, you'll find the heart of an old-fashioned Libertarian. And I'd be a Libertarian, if they weren't all a bunch of tax-dodging professional whiners." - Berkeley Breathed


Meat is Murder. Sweet, delicious murder.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dedicatedIUfan Dec 13 2009, 05:03 PM Post #11
Coach
Posts:
8,724
Group:
Members
Member
#93
Joined:
February 7, 2008
panchen_lama
Dec 13 2009, 04:17 PM
yes we have to address rebounding and yes it takes an attitude with which to do it. that's why i would like to see elston start along with jobe. jones would be the 6th man and first back-up to SF and SG as well as the 3rd PG. elston starting will help take pressure off watford on the glass (pritchard is a non-factor), and hopefully reap offensive dividends. and elston brings that mentality...he was pretty much the only one to go after anything on the offensive glass, along with watford on one occasion. elston has the attitude. and while jobe is not good...he throws people to the ground, literally, and can run. pritchard is soft and incredibly unatheletic. the 'center' position can be quickly rotated with capo and bawa playing their fair time. we have to find out who can rebound and play big in the middle (it's not pritchard)...and i agree we need to find out over the course of the next three games.

but hey, we should beat last season's win total before the big 10 starts and arguably against better competition.
I was thinking the same thing. Before the B10 season starts, we should have 7 wins. I know I predicted a .500 finish, but I don't think that will happen but I do think we get to at least 12 wins this year.

I never thought about that option. Crean should have played 3 bigs (either Pritchard/Jobe, Elston, and Watford) along with Creek and Rivers at the guards. I think that could have helped our rebounding. Jones was a non-factor in the Kensucky game and seemed to be thrown around like a rag doll on the defensive end and when he tried to drive the ball. I think Jones is good when we play smaller less physical teams but Crean should have at least tried a bigger lineup against Kensucky. Watford is quick enough he could have guarded any SF or Wing player. Hell, I would have tried him on Bledsoe. He seemed to be thrown around like a rag doll too underneath when he was having to guard Cousins or Patterson and got into foul trouble because of it. Next year he will be stronger, but Crean should have tried a more traditional lineup and he should have gotten away from the three guard lineup. Not a bad idea panchen, I hope Crean could catch on.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
yawnzzz Dec 13 2009, 05:13 PM Post #12
Member Avatar
Coach
Posts:
4,964
Group:
Members
Member
#58
Joined:
February 6, 2008
Jobe is really the only player we have that wouldn't get thrown around by Patterson, Cousins, or Orton. I thought about how the game might've changed if we went big, but I'm sure Crean is still trying to get his offense run correctly, and they probably haven't had much experience going big.

I think we just have to accept that Kentucky has by far the biggest line-up in the country, and we're below average. We could've tried gimmicks to keep us close, but it's reassuring that sticking with our normal game plan our guards matched-up pretty well with Kentucky's guards that all will be in the NBA in the next few years. That's reassuring to myself, but I think the confidence that it gives our guards on running that offense will be extremely valuable come Big Ten time.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BTown11 Dec 13 2009, 06:29 PM Post #13
Member Avatar
Mer
Posts:
20,765
Group:
Members
Member
#19
Joined:
February 4, 2008
in order for us to start winning, we need to start scoring more points than our opponents.
Death to Signatures.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
panchen_lama Dec 13 2009, 06:34 PM Post #14
Coach
Posts:
3,423
Group:
Members
Member
#336
Joined:
June 30, 2009
BTown11
Dec 13 2009, 06:29 PM
in order for us to start winning, we need to start scoring more points than our opponents.
cheeky

:angel:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dedicatedIUfan Dec 13 2009, 06:41 PM Post #15
Coach
Posts:
8,724
Group:
Members
Member
#93
Joined:
February 7, 2008
BTown11
Dec 13 2009, 06:29 PM
in order for us to start winning, we need to start scoring more points than our opponents.
Enough said. That is the only logic that will actually work. :rofl:
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Hoosier Sports · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2

Track Topic · E-mail Topic Time: 3:36 AM Jul 11
Hosted for free by ZetaBoards · Privacy Policy