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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
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Or he could be worried that all of the post players on the roster have failed to develop.

All of who? I'm not sure there has been a post player that's been here for more than 1 offseason.
Well, Pritchard has regressed by all accounts. Elston has been a no show since the beginning of the season it seems. And it doesn't really seem like any of them are getting any better as the season is going along.

You can look at the bad play as an opportunity for playing time, or a bad thing that players aren't progressing.

Anyways, I've read that Georgetown may be tough to be in his recruitment.
Got it. Cuz everyone expects big men to progress during their true freshman years. I guess everyone should have doubted Jajuan Johnson and Matt Painter's ability to help him progress when Johnson went from starter, to significant bench minutes, to playing 10 min/game and hardly contributing during his freshman year.
Well, he did go for 10 and 8 in an NCAA tournament game his freshman year.

And Painter had that Landry guy who did alright.

Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
The Landry guy that Painter had for only 1 season since he was injured Painter's first year?

Look, I think Painter is a good coach who has done a fantastic job developing Jujuan Johnson. I'm not saying he can't develop players. I'm saying it would have been stupid to question him or Johnson when Jujuan regressed during his true freshman season. Just like it's stupid to question guys like Elston during his true freshman season.

As for Pritchard, I'll be totally honest. I think his only problem is being out of shape. He needs to discipline himself both in the weight room and at the buffet counter. He fouls a lot because he's not athletic enough to keep up with his defenders and he tires easily, limiting his impact on the offensive end. I'm not sure if it would even be possible to see any progress he has made. Either way, he's just a sophomore.
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Or he could be worried that all of the post players on the roster have failed to develop.

All of who? I'm not sure there has been a post player that's been here for more than 1 offseason.
Well, Pritchard has regressed by all accounts. Elston has been a no show since the beginning of the season it seems. And it doesn't really seem like any of them are getting any better as the season is going along.

You can look at the bad play as an opportunity for playing time, or a bad thing that players aren't progressing.

Anyways, I've read that Georgetown may be tough to be in his recruitment.
Got it. Cuz everyone expects big men to progress during their true freshman years. I guess everyone should have doubted Jajuan Johnson and Matt Painter's ability to help him progress when Johnson went from starter, to significant bench minutes, to playing 10 min/game and hardly contributing during his freshman year.
Well, he did go for 10 and 8 in an NCAA tournament game his freshman year.

And Painter had that Landry guy who did alright.

Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
The Landry guy that Painter had for only 1 season since he was injured Painter's first year?

Look, I think Painter is a good coach who has done a fantastic job developing Jujuan Johnson. I'm not saying he can't develop players. I'm saying it would have been stupid to question him or Johnson when Jujuan regressed during his true freshman season. Just like it's stupid to question guys like Elston during his true freshman season.

As for Pritchard, I'll be totally honest. I think his only problem is being out of shape. He needs to discipline himself both in the weight room and at the buffet counter. He fouls a lot because he's not athletic enough to keep up with his defenders and he tires easily, limiting his impact on the offensive end. I'm not sure if it would even be possible to see any progress he has made. Either way, he's just a sophomore.
You don't think that Painter helped Landry at all the season that he was hurt? And Painter was also an assistant during Landry's first season.

And JuJuan Johnson regressed his freshmen season? News to me.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Or he could be worried that all of the post players on the roster have failed to develop.

All of who? I'm not sure there has been a post player that's been here for more than 1 offseason.
Well, Pritchard has regressed by all accounts. Elston has been a no show since the beginning of the season it seems. And it doesn't really seem like any of them are getting any better as the season is going along.

You can look at the bad play as an opportunity for playing time, or a bad thing that players aren't progressing.

Anyways, I've read that Georgetown may be tough to be in his recruitment.
Got it. Cuz everyone expects big men to progress during their true freshman years. I guess everyone should have doubted Jajuan Johnson and Matt Painter's ability to help him progress when Johnson went from starter, to significant bench minutes, to playing 10 min/game and hardly contributing during his freshman year.
Well, he did go for 10 and 8 in an NCAA tournament game his freshman year.

And Painter had that Landry guy who did alright.

Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
The Landry guy that Painter had for only 1 season since he was injured Painter's first year?

Look, I think Painter is a good coach who has done a fantastic job developing Jujuan Johnson. I'm not saying he can't develop players. I'm saying it would have been stupid to question him or Johnson when Jujuan regressed during his true freshman season. Just like it's stupid to question guys like Elston during his true freshman season.

As for Pritchard, I'll be totally honest. I think his only problem is being out of shape. He needs to discipline himself both in the weight room and at the buffet counter. He fouls a lot because he's not athletic enough to keep up with his defenders and he tires easily, limiting his impact on the offensive end. I'm not sure if it would even be possible to see any progress he has made. Either way, he's just a sophomore.
i want to believe you dreach on the root cause of pritchard's problems...i'd love to believe it, cause it can be addressed pretty easily in the offseason. and certainly being out of shape has not helped at all...

but it's really hard for me to see anything in the skill set which elicits excitement for his future. he could be 320 pounds and still show even the remotest of touches from the charity stripe...which he hasn't. let alone a basic 10 foot jump (or in his case standing) shot.

but certainly a fascist conditioning regime wouldn't hurt...
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Or he could be worried that all of the post players on the roster have failed to develop.

All of who? I'm not sure there has been a post player that's been here for more than 1 offseason.
Well, Pritchard has regressed by all accounts. Elston has been a no show since the beginning of the season it seems. And it doesn't really seem like any of them are getting any better as the season is going along.

You can look at the bad play as an opportunity for playing time, or a bad thing that players aren't progressing.

Anyways, I've read that Georgetown may be tough to be in his recruitment.
Got it. Cuz everyone expects big men to progress during their true freshman years. I guess everyone should have doubted Jajuan Johnson and Matt Painter's ability to help him progress when Johnson went from starter, to significant bench minutes, to playing 10 min/game and hardly contributing during his freshman year.
Well, he did go for 10 and 8 in an NCAA tournament game his freshman year.

And Painter had that Landry guy who did alright.

Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
The Landry guy that Painter had for only 1 season since he was injured Painter's first year?

Look, I think Painter is a good coach who has done a fantastic job developing Jujuan Johnson. I'm not saying he can't develop players. I'm saying it would have been stupid to question him or Johnson when Jujuan regressed during his true freshman season. Just like it's stupid to question guys like Elston during his true freshman season.

As for Pritchard, I'll be totally honest. I think his only problem is being out of shape. He needs to discipline himself both in the weight room and at the buffet counter. He fouls a lot because he's not athletic enough to keep up with his defenders and he tires easily, limiting his impact on the offensive end. I'm not sure if it would even be possible to see any progress he has made. Either way, he's just a sophomore.
i want to believe you dreach on the root cause of pritchard's problems...i'd love to believe it, cause it can be addressed pretty easily in the offseason. and certainly being out of shape has not helped at all...

but it's really hard for me to see anything in the skill set which elicits excitement for his future. he could be 320 pounds and still show even the remotest of touches from the charity stripe...which he hasn't. let alone a basic 10 foot jump (or in his case standing) shot.

but certainly a fascist conditioning regime wouldn't hurt...
I think the real issue on Pritchard is he lacks work ethic.
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i want to believe you dreach on the root cause of pritchard's problems...i'd love to believe it, cause it can be addressed pretty easily in the offseason. and certainly being out of shape has not helped at all...

but it's really hard for me to see anything in the skill set which elicits excitement for his future. he could be 320 pounds and still show even the remotest of touches from the charity stripe...which he hasn't. let alone a basic 10 foot jump (or in his case standing) shot.

but certainly a fascist conditioning regime wouldn't hurt...
Haha. Wouldn't hurt is the nice way to say it ;)

If nothing else, he's shown a better understanding of the offense. Whenever we have run a play for him he is in the right spot and at the very least draws a foul. His FT shooting is horrible and so I guess that doesn't matter much. I still think he'd be more than serviceable if he got into great shape.
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
DC hating on IU, its players, its coaches, and its fans is nothing new. I don't get why people are escalating it like it's a big deal now.
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
DC hating on IU, its players, its coaches, and its fans is nothing new. I don't get why people are escalating it like it's a big deal now.
Oh I know it's not new, far from it actually. He’s been doing it for years.

He usually spews how much respect he has for IU rhetoric when he’s sober, and then jabs us like a boxer when he’s drinking. Either he started earlier today, or he’s just finally admitting how he really feels, which I would prefer. No reason not to be honest about a fact that everyone knows you’re lying about.
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
DC hating on IU, its players, its coaches, and its fans is nothing new. I don't get why people are escalating it like it's a big deal now.
Oh I know it's not new, far from it actually. He’s been doing it for years.

He usually spews how much respect he has for IU rhetoric when he’s sober, and then jabs us like a boxer when he’s drinking. Either he started earlier today, or he’s just finally admitting how he really feels, which I would prefer. No reason not to be honest about a fact that everyone knows you’re lying about.
he's the master of the backhand jab. even when he pretends to respect IU he throws in a backhanded compliment. He's also the master of pretending like people care. He's the first to throw his two cents in on the IU board when he knows (or at least he should know) that no one here cares. It's especially hilarious when he speaks on recruits (like Abraham) which he has no knowledge of other than what he's read on Rivals.

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Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
Lazar Hayward showed a ton of growth playing 2 years for Crean at an undersized 6-6.
Ousmanne Barro showed development under Crean as a very raw player.
Marcus Jackson showed a ton of improvement in little time with Crean.
Steve Novak consistently got better learning to play like a big, despite the fact that he was a perimeter player.
Scott Meritt also got conistently better through his career.

Sure none of them are DeJuan Blair but all are high quality players that were scoring in double figures nd grabbing 6+ rebounds a game.


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Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
Lazar Hayward showed a ton of growth playing 2 years for Crean at an undersized 6-6.
Ousmanne Barro showed development under Crean as a very raw player.
Marcus Jackson showed a ton of improvement in little time with Crean.
Steve Novak consistently got better learning to play like a big, despite the fact that he was a perimeter player.
Scott Meritt also got conistently better through his career.

Sure none of them are DeJuan Blair but all are high quality players that were scoring in double figures nd grabbing 6+ rebounds a game.
Wow. I'll be honest, I could not answer that question because I never followed Marquette basketball and outside of Wade and Diener, I really didn't care who the hell was over there. Personally, I think it's important to have an assistant coach who specializes in developing big men. A head coach can only do so much.
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