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panchen_lama Feb 22 2010, 05:09 PM Post #46
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Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
Lazar Hayward showed a ton of growth playing 2 years for Crean at an undersized 6-6.
Ousmanne Barro showed development under Crean as a very raw player.
Marcus Jackson showed a ton of improvement in little time with Crean.
Steve Novak consistently got better learning to play like a big, despite the fact that he was a perimeter player.
Scott Meritt also got conistently better through his career.

Sure none of them are DeJuan Blair but all are high quality players that were scoring in double figures nd grabbing 6+ rebounds a game.
great post...great list.

so imagine what crean could do with a bit better talent pool...which i think we'll eventually have.

on an aside...had forgotten about novak...interior development not withstanding, that dude could shoot lights out...
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new board rule -- if you can't back it up with PRIMARY sources, don't post it.
Yeah. That will fly. I would count on it in fact.
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new board rule -- if you can't back it up with PRIMARY sources, don't post it.
Yeah. That will fly. I would count on it in fact.
lol that's just a rule for DC.
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Or he could be worried that all of the post players on the roster have failed to develop.

All of who? I'm not sure there has been a post player that's been here for more than 1 offseason.
Well, Pritchard has regressed by all accounts. Elston has been a no show since the beginning of the season it seems. And it doesn't really seem like any of them are getting any better as the season is going along.

You can look at the bad play as an opportunity for playing time, or a bad thing that players aren't progressing.

Anyways, I've read that Georgetown may be tough to be in his recruitment.
Got it. Cuz everyone expects big men to progress during their true freshman years. I guess everyone should have doubted Jajuan Johnson and Matt Painter's ability to help him progress when Johnson went from starter, to significant bench minutes, to playing 10 min/game and hardly contributing during his freshman year.
Well, he did go for 10 and 8 in an NCAA tournament game his freshman year.

And Painter had that Landry guy who did alright.

Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
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Talk about cherry picking. Johnson hadn't scored in double digits as a freshman since December 22nd. He didn't do it a single time in conference.

Preconference as a freshman: 8 ppg, 4 rpg.

Conference and NCAA play: 4 ppg, 2 1/2 rpg.

And are you referring to the development of highly rated JUCO recruit Carl Landry?
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
DC hating on IU, its players, its coaches, and its fans is nothing new. I don't get why people are escalating it like it's a big deal now.
Oh I know it's not new, far from it actually. He’s been doing it for years.

He usually spews how much respect he has for IU rhetoric when he’s sober, and then jabs us like a boxer when he’s drinking. Either he started earlier today, or he’s just finally admitting how he really feels, which I would prefer. No reason not to be honest about a fact that everyone knows you’re lying about.
he's the master of the backhand jab. even when he pretends to respect IU he throws in a backhanded compliment. He's also the master of pretending like people care. He's the first to throw his two cents in on the IU board when he knows (or at least he should know) that no one here cares. It's especially hilarious when he speaks on recruits (like Abraham) which he has no knowledge of other than what he's read on Rivals.

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Oh I agree. Here's the thing, I make no bones that I dislike Purude more than any other college team. I know some of you root for them for the sake of the big ten, but not I. If you knew my upbringing, the reason I feel this way would be abundantly clear.

HOWEVER, I don't go over on their side and make unprovoked comments trying to stir them up. If IU's rep is taking a beating over there, then I may respond, but I don't think I've ever went over there just trying to elicit a response from the Purdue faithful.

I just don't understand why he acts like he cares about IU. And like you said, I don't really give a rat's what he thinks about IU, but I'm not going to let him get his jabs in without defending my team. Just be honest about it...you despise IU (which your comments make transparent), and go from there. It's a damn message board, no reason to hide behind somebody that you're not.
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
DC hating on IU, its players, its coaches, and its fans is nothing new. I don't get why people are escalating it like it's a big deal now.
Oh I know it's not new, far from it actually. He’s been doing it for years.

He usually spews how much respect he has for IU rhetoric when he’s sober, and then jabs us like a boxer when he’s drinking. Either he started earlier today, or he’s just finally admitting how he really feels, which I would prefer. No reason not to be honest about a fact that everyone knows you’re lying about.
he's the master of the backhand jab. even when he pretends to respect IU he throws in a backhanded compliment. He's also the master of pretending like people care. He's the first to throw his two cents in on the IU board when he knows (or at least he should know) that no one here cares. It's especially hilarious when he speaks on recruits (like Abraham) which he has no knowledge of other than what he's read on Rivals.

new board rule -- if you can't back it up with PRIMARY sources, don't post it.
Oh I agree. Here's the thing, I make no bones that I dislike Purude more than any other college team. I know some of you root for them for the sake of the big ten, but not I. If you knew my upbringing, the reason I feel this way would be abundantly clear.

HOWEVER, I don't go over on their side and make unprovoked comments trying to stir them up. If IU's rep is taking a beating over there, then I may respond, but I don't think I've ever went over there just trying to elicit a response from the Purdue faithful.

I just don't understand why he acts like he cares about IU. And like you said, I don't really give a rat's what he thinks about IU, but I'm not going to let him get his jabs in without defending my team. Just be honest about it...you despise IU (which your comments make transparent), and go from there. It's a damn message board, no reason to hide behind somebody that you're not.
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This is a good example of DC trying to draw the ire of the IU faithful.

Shouldn't you be taking a nap for work this evening?
Not really at all. I was just pointing out that there are two sides to the problems in the middle in regards to recruiting.

And no I don't need a nap because I'm not working. I actually get days off like you "normal, real life" people.
Riiiiiiiighhhttttt.

Seemed like a convenient excuse for you to portray your feelings that Crean has never developed a big man and big players won't want to come here because of it. However, Painter excels at it.

Not sure where I got that crazy thought from...
Well, Crean really hasn't, but in this instance, when talking about the glaring hole in the middle, the lack of development would seem like a concern to a potential big man, no? Would you rather go to a place like Georgetown or UCONN who has been churning out big men, or go to a coach who is more guard oriented?

And I never said Painter excels at it, its just that he has an actual track record.

You got that crazy thought from where you get all of your crazy thoughts.
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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
Well if you would have left it at that, there may be some common ground Dan. But then you talked about how the freshman regressed thus far, which is debatable on many levels. Especially when you take into consideration Brum's statistics on JJ his freshman year, which you haven't responded to.

It's no surprise that the freshman bigs will play better early in the year, and then when they start playing superior competition, especially when their surrounding crew leaves much to be desired, that they will struggle. Then isn't exactly a news flash to college basketball, is it?
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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
but on the other hand, if the potential bigs come to b'town looking for the best buffet deals...we've got a ready-made local ambassador in the form of mr. thomas pritchard. huge recruiting plus. :P
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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
Well if you would have left it at that, there may be some common ground Dan. But then you talked about how the freshman regressed thus far, which is debatable on many levels. Especially when you take into consideration Brum's statistics on JJ his freshman year, which you haven't responded to.

It's no surprise that the freshman bigs will play better early in the year, and then when they start playing superior competition, especially when their surrounding crew leaves much to be desired, that they will struggle. Then isn't exactly a news flash to college basketball, is it?
Please point me to Brum's breakdown of JJ's early season to late season play. I remember JJ being able to get on the court as much in the beginning of the year as the end of the year. And him also having a coming out party of sorts against Baylor in the NCAA tournament.
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Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
Lazar Hayward showed a ton of growth playing 2 years for Crean at an undersized 6-6.
Ousmanne Barro showed development under Crean as a very raw player.
Marcus Jackson showed a ton of improvement in little time with Crean.
Steve Novak consistently got better learning to play like a big, despite the fact that he was a perimeter player.
Scott Meritt also got conistently better through his career.

Sure none of them are DeJuan Blair but all are high quality players that were scoring in double figures nd grabbing 6+ rebounds a game.
Calling Lazar Hayward is a big man is like calling Robbie Hummel a big man. Same goes for Novak, who shot 200+ 3s as a JR and 193 as a SR.

That Jackson guy was a 3 and 8 guy as a senior. Barro did show improvement, I'll give you that.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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