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timpickett22 Feb 22 2010, 10:52 PM Post #61
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I have a crazy thought bank that is bottomless :)
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Come and join in song together, shout with might and main. Our beloved Alma Mater, sound her praise again. Gloriana Frangipana, E'er to her be true. She's the pride of Indiana, Hail to Old IU!

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That's Matthew Obert.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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BTown11 Feb 22 2010, 10:54 PM Post #63
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Obat's a big fan of his music. For real.

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nvm. did some thread searching. nice haha
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Once American Idol is over, I'm sure obat will be here to defend himself.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Once American Idol is over, I'm sure obat will be here to defend himself.
with another 16 year old he's obsessed with as well.

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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
Well if you would have left it at that, there may be some common ground Dan. But then you talked about how the freshman regressed thus far, which is debatable on many levels. Especially when you take into consideration Brum's statistics on JJ his freshman year, which you haven't responded to.

It's no surprise that the freshman bigs will play better early in the year, and then when they start playing superior competition, especially when their surrounding crew leaves much to be desired, that they will struggle. Then isn't exactly a news flash to college basketball, is it?
Please point me to Brum's breakdown of JJ's early season to late season play. I remember JJ being able to get on the court as much in the beginning of the year as the end of the year. And him also having a coming out party of sorts against Baylor in the NCAA tournament.
Your memory is as convenient as it is wrong.

Johnson played 28 minutes in each of the first two games his freshman year, one of which was a 4 point game (66-62). He never matched that the rest of the year. If Baylor was a 'coming out party,' then Xavier was a celebration of how mediocre he was as a freshman.

Johnson played 14 minutes/game in Big Ten play. Johnson NEVER played less than 15 minutes in preconference and averaged right at 20 minutes/game.

And while you bring up Baylor, if Painter thought that was the real Johnson then he would have played more than 13 minutes in the Xavier game...in which he contributed the same numbers he was in Big Ten play: 4 points and 2 rebounds.

So your version is that Elston drop in minutes from 15 per game preconference to 13 during conference represents him getting buried while Johnson 'was able to get on the court as much at the beginning of the year as the end' when his minutes dropped from 20 to 14. YEAHHHH....you're one unbiased guy.
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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
Well if you would have left it at that, there may be some common ground Dan. But then you talked about how the freshman regressed thus far, which is debatable on many levels. Especially when you take into consideration Brum's statistics on JJ his freshman year, which you haven't responded to.

It's no surprise that the freshman bigs will play better early in the year, and then when they start playing superior competition, especially when their surrounding crew leaves much to be desired, that they will struggle. Then isn't exactly a news flash to college basketball, is it?
Please point me to Brum's breakdown of JJ's early season to late season play. I remember JJ being able to get on the court as much in the beginning of the year as the end of the year. And him also having a coming out party of sorts against Baylor in the NCAA tournament.
Your memory is as convenient as it is wrong.

Johnson played 28 minutes in each of the first two games his freshman year, one of which was a 4 point game (66-62). He never matched that the rest of the year. If Baylor was a 'coming out party,' then Xavier was a celebration of how mediocre he was as a freshman.

Johnson played 14 minutes/game in Big Ten play. Johnson NEVER played less than 15 minutes in preconference and averaged right at 20 minutes/game.

And while you bring up Baylor, if Painter thought that was the real Johnson then he would have played more than 13 minutes in the Xavier game...in which he contributed the same numbers he was in Big Ten play: 4 points and 2 rebounds.

So your version is that Elston drop in minutes from 15 per game preconference to 13 during conference represents him getting buried while Johnson 'was able to get on the court as much at the beginning of the year as the end' when his minutes dropped from 20 to 14. YEAHHHH....you're one unbiased guy.
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Can you name a big guy that Crean has coached? And just look at Pritchard. That's the definition of regressing and failing to develop.
Lazar Hayward showed a ton of growth playing 2 years for Crean at an undersized 6-6.
Ousmanne Barro showed development under Crean as a very raw player.
Marcus Jackson showed a ton of improvement in little time with Crean.
Steve Novak consistently got better learning to play like a big, despite the fact that he was a perimeter player.
Scott Meritt also got conistently better through his career.

Sure none of them are DeJuan Blair but all are high quality players that were scoring in double figures nd grabbing 6+ rebounds a game.
Calling Lazar Hayward is a big man is like calling Robbie Hummel a big man. Same goes for Novak, who shot 200+ 3s as a JR and 193 as a SR.

That Jackson guy was a 3 and 8 guy as a senior. Barro did show improvement, I'll give you that.
Novak still showed improvement becoming a more complete player. Became a better rebounder every year despite spending damn near all his time on the perimeter.
Jackson averaged 3 and 8 yes, also was a shot blocker. 6 ‘8 isn’t a huge big man and if he is getting boards and blocking shots he does not need to score on a team with Novak, Diener, and Barro.


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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
Well if you would have left it at that, there may be some common ground Dan. But then you talked about how the freshman regressed thus far, which is debatable on many levels. Especially when you take into consideration Brum's statistics on JJ his freshman year, which you haven't responded to.

It's no surprise that the freshman bigs will play better early in the year, and then when they start playing superior competition, especially when their surrounding crew leaves much to be desired, that they will struggle. Then isn't exactly a news flash to college basketball, is it?
Please point me to Brum's breakdown of JJ's early season to late season play. I remember JJ being able to get on the court as much in the beginning of the year as the end of the year. And him also having a coming out party of sorts against Baylor in the NCAA tournament.
Your memory is as convenient as it is wrong.

Johnson played 28 minutes in each of the first two games his freshman year, one of which was a 4 point game (66-62). He never matched that the rest of the year. If Baylor was a 'coming out party,' then Xavier was a celebration of how mediocre he was as a freshman.

Johnson played 14 minutes/game in Big Ten play. Johnson NEVER played less than 15 minutes in preconference and averaged right at 20 minutes/game.

And while you bring up Baylor, if Painter thought that was the real Johnson then he would have played more than 13 minutes in the Xavier game...in which he contributed the same numbers he was in Big Ten play: 4 points and 2 rebounds.

So your version is that Elston drop in minutes from 15 per game preconference to 13 during conference represents him getting buried while Johnson 'was able to get on the court as much at the beginning of the year as the end' when his minutes dropped from 20 to 14. YEAHHHH....you're one unbiased guy.
You have your stats, which is awesome. Good luck with Elston.

Good luck being unbiased with all of the IU big men. Johnson showed signs of breaking out, when the IU big men do that, let me know.

The Xavier game was a bad matchup for him, so Painter didn't play him as much. Find a good matchup for the IU freshmen, and they do what? Is there a good matchup for them? The thing about JJ is that even though he may not have scored or rebounded, he brought a lot to the game defensively. Something the IU big men right now know nothing about. I'd love for you to try to give some stats of JJ's effectiveness on the game defensively.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I've read that Georgetown may be tough to be in his recruitment.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Jesus, apparently suggesting that the lack of progression that Pritchard has made may have a negative on recruiting other big men is apparently asinine.

Get a grip people.
Well if you would have left it at that, there may be some common ground Dan. But then you talked about how the freshman regressed thus far, which is debatable on many levels. Especially when you take into consideration Brum's statistics on JJ his freshman year, which you haven't responded to.

It's no surprise that the freshman bigs will play better early in the year, and then when they start playing superior competition, especially when their surrounding crew leaves much to be desired, that they will struggle. Then isn't exactly a news flash to college basketball, is it?
Please point me to Brum's breakdown of JJ's early season to late season play. I remember JJ being able to get on the court as much in the beginning of the year as the end of the year. And him also having a coming out party of sorts against Baylor in the NCAA tournament.
Your memory is as convenient as it is wrong.

Johnson played 28 minutes in each of the first two games his freshman year, one of which was a 4 point game (66-62). He never matched that the rest of the year. If Baylor was a 'coming out party,' then Xavier was a celebration of how mediocre he was as a freshman.

Johnson played 14 minutes/game in Big Ten play. Johnson NEVER played less than 15 minutes in preconference and averaged right at 20 minutes/game.

And while you bring up Baylor, if Painter thought that was the real Johnson then he would have played more than 13 minutes in the Xavier game...in which he contributed the same numbers he was in Big Ten play: 4 points and 2 rebounds.

So your version is that Elston drop in minutes from 15 per game preconference to 13 during conference represents him getting buried while Johnson 'was able to get on the court as much at the beginning of the year as the end' when his minutes dropped from 20 to 14. YEAHHHH....you're one unbiased guy.
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Not a whammy for Brum. Unfortunately for him., JJ played nearly 20 minutes/night. regardless
Edited by dçamden03, Feb 23 2010, 06:48 AM.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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