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Evilempire Feb 21 2010, 03:33 PM Post #1
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You may be a few games late, but you are starting to sound a lot like me. I wonder how all the homers who say 'don't expect them to play hard every night, they're young' will spin this one.

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dreachon Feb 21 2010, 03:46 PM Post #2
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I'm not sure a single poster here has ever said they don't expect the guys to play hard every night because they're young. If by "sounding like you" you really mean "sounding like every human on earth" then you win!
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jdm3 Feb 21 2010, 03:55 PM Post #3
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I'm pretty sure we are all in agreement that the team is expected to play hard. The disagreement on this board seems to be with the success of this team in win/loss and the disagreement on just how good a coach Crean is. This doesn't really prove anything that you've been arguing. This shows that Crean realizes what he has versus what he needs, and that he won't be a nice guy about it, and quite frankly, this quote makes me, and probably several other hoosier fans happy.


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Evilempire Feb 21 2010, 04:00 PM Post #4
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So where is the outrage over guys not giving effort defensively for the last 5 games? I brought it up, and certain people said that IU is young and playing hard every night shouldn't be expected.

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HoosierLars Feb 21 2010, 04:11 PM Post #5
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The bottom line is it's very difficult for a team to struggle through a coaching transition, and fans want to hope for the best. Personally, I think it's healthy for fans like evil to openly question what's going on.

I used to question Rex Grossman and Lovie Smith on the Bears board, and it made many fans angry. It turns our I was right about Grossman, and I'm still uncertain about Smith, but am hoping for the best.
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dreachon Feb 21 2010, 04:12 PM Post #6
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I'm not sure where you've been but the talk around here has been non stop about the decreased effort ever since the Purdue and Illinois games. Just about everyone agrees that those heartbreaking losses sent the team into a tailspin that they have yet to recover from.

The difference is that most of us have expressed disappointment at this turn of events rather than outrage. Lack of outrage does not equal approval. Also, I'd say most people haven't let the subpar play over the last few games effect their visions of future possibilities. We see the talent that is here and what can happen when the team executes up to their ability levels. It gives people hope for the future and is also the likely reason why disappointment is more prevalent than outrage on this board.

People merely acknowledge that young teams are more susceptible to a late season swoon when it seems like there is nothing to play for and the young players feel like they have hit the proverbial "wall". That doesn't mean that everyone is accepting of the decreased effort, we're just not as shocked and outraged as you are. Which is surprising because you seem to see every flaw in this team. So how is it that we are the ones who aren't surprised by this and you are the one who is outraged at something that is commonplace?
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crveech Feb 21 2010, 04:18 PM Post #7
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Evil thanking Crean? :wtf:


Did we just enter the Twilight Zone?
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So where is the outrage over guys not giving effort defensively for the last 5 games? I brought it up, and certain people said that IU is young and playing hard every night shouldn't be expected.

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I'm not sure where you've been but the talk around here has been non stop about the decreased effort ever since the Purdue and Illinois games. Just about everyone agrees that those heartbreaking losses sent the team into a tailspin that they have yet to recover from.

The difference is that most of us have expressed disappointment at this turn of events rather than outrage. Lack of outrage does not equal approval. Also, I'd say most people haven't let the subpar play over the last few games effect their visions of future possibilities. We see the talent that is here and what can happen when the team executes up to their ability levels. It gives people hope for the future and is also the likely reason why disappointment is more prevalent than outrage on this board.

People merely acknowledge that young teams are more susceptible to a late season swoon when it seems like there is nothing to play for and the young players feel like they have hit the proverbial "wall". That doesn't mean that everyone is accepting of the decreased effort, we're just not as shocked and outraged as you are. Which is surprising because you seem to see every flaw in this team. So how is it that we are the ones who aren't surprised by this and you are the one who is outraged at something that is commonplace?
Second, I never once saw where everyone but evil said we would the young guys a pass on effort. In certain games we have been outmatched like when we played msu. But since the purdue game I've been getting mad about the losses because they weren't even trying it seemed.
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this is what i don't understand...pritchard (those FTs were pathetic - he's honestly getting worse) getting probably 25 minutes to maybe 8 or so (i'm not looking this up) for bobby c. and i'm pretty sure bobby c. will have outscored and outrebounded pritchard, beside being more of a presence on the defensive block (though arguably this is not saying much). pritchard, who i don't believe is in proper condition anyway, can be "good" for two or three minute stretches here and there. please coach, stop acting like he's an integral component to the future.

and rivers continues to kill me...we have to have him on the defensive side and for next year, but even with making a few nice shots at the barn, his decision making with the ball is just horrendous.

i'll be interested to see how crean looks to incorporate VJIII and creek into the line-up next year. i think this could prove trickier than it might first appear. and of course elston has clearly still not identified a "position" in the rotation either.

the minny game wasn't as bad as some...but anytime i'm 15 minutes into the game thinking dumes looks our best option, most mature and team leader (he did go some distance in trying to erase this misconception the rest of the way) my mind does start to wonder with respect to just what the hell has happened and what could get this team to maybe make a little run in the b-10 tourney...cause we could win a game or two...theoretically at least...

so, let's start a relatively meaningless vote...who might CTC actually be speaking of when is says some guys might have to find somewhere else to play?
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this is what i don't understand...pritchard (those FTs were pathetic - he's honestly getting worse) getting probably 25 minutes to maybe 8 or so (i'm not looking this up) for bobby c. and i'm pretty sure bobby c. will have outscored and outrebounded pritchard, beside being more of a presence on the defensive block (though arguably this is not saying much). pritchard, who i don't believe is in proper condition anyway, can be "good" for two or three minute stretches here and there. please coach, stop acting like he's an integral component to the future.

and rivers continues to kill me...we have to have him on the defensive side and for next year, but even with making a few nice shots at the barn, his decision making with the ball is just horrendous.

i'll be interested to see how crean looks to incorporate VJIII and creek into the line-up next year. i think this could prove trickier than it might first appear. and of course elston has clearly still not identified a "position" in the rotation either.

the minny game wasn't as bad as some...but anytime i'm 15 minutes into the game thinking dumes looks our best option, most mature and team leader (he did go some distance in trying to erase this misconception the rest of the way) my mind does start to wonder with respect to just what the hell has happened and what could get this team to maybe make a little run in the b-10 tourney...cause we could win a game or two...theoretically at least...

so, let's start a relatively meaningless vote...who might CTC actually be speaking of when is says some guys might have to find somewhere else to play?
Pritchard.
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so, let's start a relatively meaningless vote...who might CTC actually be speaking of when is says some guys might have to find somewhere else to play?
I think he is deliberately putting a statement like that out there in order to put a little fear into every player on the team.

However, if he was thinking of a specific player, I think he would be talking about Pritchard and maybe Elston. He's made a couple previous comments about Elston really needing to work harder defensively and yesterday Elston got burnt repeatedly.
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The only question I have, and I have stated many times and panchen, I believe, has mentioned it as well: Why hasn't he used the bench as a motivator? Why keep starting a guy like Pritchard and playing him 20 plus minutes/game if you don't like the way he plays. Came to school over 25 pounds overweight. That right there tells me that guy has no work ethic and I am sure there are others. Why not play Capo and Elston more, as mentioned by panchen and others?

I remember after the 1987 season, Ricky Calloway was told he was going to lift weights and get stronger over the summer and if he we wasn't going to do that, then Knight would help him find another place to play. Needless to say he transferred, with the help of Knight, to Providence to play for Pitino. That sounds like what could happen here. But Crean should use the bench first to see if these guys will wake up and quit sleep walking. He is not going to win any more games at this rate anyway, so he may as well play guys that will give him effort, especially Muniru.
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have to admit that at this point...elston has definitely disappointed on what on paper and early in the season seemed like very favorable potential...

i for one, though, hope derek stays.
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so, let's start a relatively meaningless vote...who might CTC actually be speaking of when is says some guys might have to find somewhere else to play?
I think he is deliberately putting a statement like that out there in order to put a little fear into every player on the team.

However, if he was thinking of a specific player, I think he would be talking about Pritchard and maybe Elston. He's made a couple previous comments about Elston really needing to work harder defensively and yesterday Elston got burnt repeatedly.
I don't think it is Elston. I know he got burnt on occasion defensively, but I think that guy has a great work ethic and plays really hard. He just keeps make freshman mistakes both on the offensive end and defensive end, but it isn't from a lack of effort. I think he just needs to slow down a bit because he comes into the game to hyped up.
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