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Worst Home Loss Since 1914; vs Wisconsin
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Jazen Feb 26 2010, 03:27 PM Post #1
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I've seen arguments for both sides in terms of whether we are actually (that) much better than we were last year, or the fact that this team has just simply given up.

For the sake of this argument, it's really undebatable whether this is a more talented team than last year's, that's a given, but it's hardly a secret that the fight/emotion was gone weeks ago.

But the worse home loss in almost 100 years?

Even with one of the youngest teams in the country, the breakdown has been monumental in every aspect.

What's really debatable is the why.






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panchen_lama Feb 26 2010, 03:46 PM Post #2
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to start in on the 'why' debate...

was very disappointed with elston's comments after the game to the effect that he only feels he can say something, take a leadership role, in practice if he is having a good practice...otherwise he evidently doesn't think it is right or appropriate. WTF?

if that's the collective mentality on the team then it is no wonder that the kids disappear on the court as soon as things start going southward.
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BTown11 Feb 26 2010, 03:49 PM Post #3
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to start in on the 'why' debate...

was very disappointed with elston's comments after the game to the effect that he only feels he can say something, take a leadership role, in practice if he is having a good practice...otherwise he evidently doesn't think it is right or appropriate. WTF?

if that's the collective mentality on the team then it is no wonder that the kids disappear on the court as soon as things start going southward.
that's the way teams are when there's no dedicated leader. if you make a mistake one play down the court, and then someone else does the same thing the next time down what authority do you have to get on them? we're going to have to get a leader the normal way -- by one producing on the floor and earning the role. it can't be forced.

there's no point in diagnosing this season -- it's almost over.
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sirbrianwilson Feb 26 2010, 03:51 PM Post #4
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had creek not been injured, we'd be having VERY different conversations about this team right now. On to 2010-11!!

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had creek not been injured, we'd be having VERY different conversations about this team right now. On to 2010-11!!

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totally agree. maurice is a natural leader just because that's his personality. i honestly think these games have no bearing on what will happen in the future -- BUT as i said yesterday, that technical last night might be seen as a turning point in the future.
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panchen_lama Feb 26 2010, 04:12 PM Post #6
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had creek not been injured, we'd be having VERY different conversations about this team right now. On to 2010-11!!

br
totally agree. maurice is a natural leader just because that's his personality. i honestly think these games have no bearing on what will happen in the future -- BUT as i said yesterday, that technical last night might be seen as a turning point in the future.
though i think creek is going to have to be more vocal...in addition to leading by performance. i didn't necessarily see that in his albeit very brief tenure.

also recall crean commenting the other week that it isn't the type of team where guys are trash talking and getting in each others faces in practice. i'm not saying we need to play like thugs...we shouldn't. but we need a bit of that personal competition in practice. this may be one reason why pritchard is always said to be a "monster" in practice...the lack of competitiveness.
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I think Jones will take the leadership role next year. Third year starter, only getting better, I think he has the swagger to be a floor and team leader.
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I think Jones will take the leadership role next year. Third year starter, only getting better, I think he has the swagger to be a floor and team leader.
agree. i think him and maurice have the most credibility with the rest of the team. i could see elston developing into the role in the future too..
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I think Jones will take the leadership role next year. Third year starter, only getting better, I think he has the swagger to be a floor and team leader.
i have to disagree. i don't see jones developing into a team leader on or off the court. i do agree with b'town that elston, in the future, may be able to develop into this role...and i'm excited to see if creek can step in and fill the void.

really really disappointed in rivers not being able to take the reigns of leadership this year...i really thought he was going to be the one to step up. a junior eligibility-wise with a year of exposure to crean's system under his belt and the defensive on-the-court presence to look the part.

right now...i have to look to one of the freshman filling this void or even to the possibility (long shot at present, granted) of VO coming in and talking the talk and walking the walk...he does seem to have that aura about him, though there are definite limitations to his game.
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I really don't think Creek is going to be a leader next year. He doesn't get rattled easily, but he doesn't seem like someone that's going to be huddling the team up either. I think Jones is the clear leader. Although I also though River's was going to be the leader this year. He was to some degree, but it's hard to lead when you're performing poorly, especially when you're afraid to take a shot.
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I don't think VJ will be a leader. I also think he is a ball hog. It appears to me it is get mine mentality with him and Crean allows it. Pritchard needs to go. I am also going to agree with Evil, Crean wasted scholarships. He had no choice but to accept Roth and Pritchard's but he should not have given a scholarship to Dumbass and Jobe. I think we could have filled those positions, not scholarships, on the team with walk-ons. We wouldn't have been any worse off than what were were last year or this year but Crean would have had two more scholarships to work with. I think if you are going to get a JUCO, and I think we need a JUCO big next year, make damn sure he will help the team and is rated very high. I don't think Dumbass was rated all that high and I know Jobe wasn't.
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He was filling a team dedicated. Agreed Jobe is useless (although UB said the rabbit population in Btown in way down), but Dumas could be serviceable.

Jones is not a ballhog. Sure he gets his fair share of shots up, but mostly because there's not a lot of other options.

But I will agree, I don't think he'll ever be the leader of this team, and that's ok. Some guys just don't have it in them, and I think he's one of those guys. But he'll help us win many games over the next 2 years. The freshman from this year's class that I think can be a leader is Hulls. He has that pissed off look in his eyes a lot of the time, and I think after another year of playing he's going to step up to that role. I sure hope so. He isn't the most talented player on the team, but he knows how to play the game, and I think he's going to be our leader going forward.

I've been very, very pleased with his play this year. I didn't think he'd get many minutes, but he's turned out to be a very solid player. Very excited to have him on the roster the next 3 years!
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BTown11 Feb 26 2010, 09:22 PM Post #13
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Dumes filled a void we needed filled. he was an up and down player but he took a chance on this program when it was in a deep, deep hole; so he at least deserves some credit. also, agree with obat jones is anything but ball hog. in fact, when creek was playing jones didn't shoot near enough..
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Well I disagree again.
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dumes definitely didn't hurt this team. not like we could have signed someone that would have made a significant impact in short notice.

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