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dçamden03 Mar 1 2010, 05:47 PM Post #76
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
Can't really disagree with that. We have to hope KG and Hart can step up, and Moore plays better than he did yesterday.
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
It would help if we didnt become a worse rebounding team when Bade comes in the game. I really thought this guy would get better as the season went on but it just hasnt happened. He cant even hit lay-ups, and im not just talking about the one at the end of the half he has done it all year.
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
It would help if we didnt become a worse rebounding team when Bade comes in the game. I really thought this guy would get better as the season went on but it just hasnt happened. He cant even hit lay-ups, and im not just talking about the one at the end of the half he has done it all year.
That's freshmen for you apparently, sans John Wall and Cousins.

If you need/want someone to console with about your lack of freshman progression for the most part, see the other side of the board :)

I actually feel sorry for Bade in a way. He's on one of the best teams in the country with the best junior group of players in all the land. Couple that with the seniors that are good players as well, and there's no way he's going to come in and look good on a nightly basis. I think he gets more flak than he deserves.

All of PU's freshman have struggled this year, but Bade's ineptness in magnified by the fact that he's a big man and PU is lacking on the interior.

I think PU fans need to give him a break, realize that he's in over his head at this point, and not condemn him for the future. Some players need time/experience, and he's a prime example.

Just my .02 cents.
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
It would help if we didnt become a worse rebounding team when Bade comes in the game. I really thought this guy would get better as the season went on but it just hasnt happened. He cant even hit lay-ups, and im not just talking about the one at the end of the half he has done it all year.
That's freshmen for you apparently, sans John Wall and Cousins.

If you need/want someone to console with about your lack of freshman progression for the most part, see the other side of the board :)

I actually feel sorry for Bade in a way. He's on one of the best teams in the country with the best junior group of players in all the land. Couple that with the seniors that are good players as well, and there's no way he's going to come in and look good on a nightly basis. I think he gets more flak than he deserves.

All of PU's freshman have struggled this year, but Bade's ineptness in magnified by the fact that he's a big man and PU is lacking on the interior.

I think PU fans need to give him a break, realize that he's in over his head at this point, and not condemn him for the future. Some players need time/experience, and he's a prime example.

Just my .02 cents.
Stop being so reasonable.

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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
It would help if we didnt become a worse rebounding team when Bade comes in the game. I really thought this guy would get better as the season went on but it just hasnt happened. He cant even hit lay-ups, and im not just talking about the one at the end of the half he has done it all year.
That's freshmen for you apparently, sans John Wall and Cousins.

If you need/want someone to console with about your lack of freshman progression for the most part, see the other side of the board :)

I actually feel sorry for Bade in a way. He's on one of the best teams in the country with the best junior group of players in all the land. Couple that with the seniors that are good players as well, and there's no way he's going to come in and look good on a nightly basis. I think he gets more flak than he deserves.

All of PU's freshman have struggled this year, but Bade's ineptness in magnified by the fact that he's a big man and PU is lacking on the interior.

I think PU fans need to give him a break, realize that he's in over his head at this point, and not condemn him for the future. Some players need time/experience, and he's a prime example.

Just my .02 cents.
Agree 100% but there's no point talking positive about Purdue right now. No one's going to listen. I actually heard someone say this team shouldn't be in the top 25 anymore.
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
Gee, didn't you call Byrd a combo forward? So why wouldn't he pick up power forward minutes?
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
It would help if we didnt become a worse rebounding team when Bade comes in the game. I really thought this guy would get better as the season went on but it just hasnt happened. He cant even hit lay-ups, and im not just talking about the one at the end of the half he has done it all year.
That's freshmen for you apparently, sans John Wall and Cousins.

If you need/want someone to console with about your lack of freshman progression for the most part, see the other side of the board :)

I actually feel sorry for Bade in a way. He's on one of the best teams in the country with the best junior group of players in all the land. Couple that with the seniors that are good players as well, and there's no way he's going to come in and look good on a nightly basis. I think he gets more flak than he deserves.

All of PU's freshman have struggled this year, but Bade's ineptness in magnified by the fact that he's a big man and PU is lacking on the interior.

I think PU fans need to give him a break, realize that he's in over his head at this point, and not condemn him for the future. Some players need time/experience, and he's a prime example.

Just my .02 cents.
Stop being so reasonable.

My apologies buddy :)

Won't happen again! Sorry for the post!!!
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
It would help if we didnt become a worse rebounding team when Bade comes in the game. I really thought this guy would get better as the season went on but it just hasnt happened. He cant even hit lay-ups, and im not just talking about the one at the end of the half he has done it all year.
Bade played lost of minutes in the first half when rebounding was close/even, and then in the second half, Bade never played and Purdue was beat by 20 rebounds.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
Gee, didn't you call Byrd a combo forward? So why wouldn't he pick up power forward minutes?
Did you not see him get minutes against MSU?
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
Gee, didn't you call Byrd a combo forward? So why wouldn't he pick up power forward minutes?
Did you not see him get minutes against MSU?
minutes assume plural. I assume you forgot to hit the sarcasm button.

Let's see....I said that the Illinois game that John Hart would gain minutes and that Byrd's minutes would drop. You disagreed vehemontly.

Since Illinois:

Byrd: 11 minutes in 10 games (4 DNP--coach's decision).
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I think you guys are jumping to the worst possible conclusion a bit too prematurely. It takes time for the team dynamics to adjust to our new reality.
Fact is, with playing 4 guards, at all times we're going to have to have 2 of Kramer/Barlow/Jackson on the court at nearly all times. That's two guys that the other team doesn't have to worry about until 10 from the basket, and will create constant double teams on Johnson.

Our new reality is that we just aren't that good without Hummel. We saw that last year too.
Gee, didn't you call Byrd a combo forward? So why wouldn't he pick up power forward minutes?
Did you not see him get minutes against MSU?
minutes assume plural. I assume you forgot to hit the sarcasm button.

Let's see....I said that the Illinois game that John Hart would gain minutes and that Byrd's minutes would drop. You disagreed vehemontly.

Since Illinois:

Byrd: 11 minutes in 10 games (4 DNP--coach's decision).
Hart: 122 minutes in 10 games.
Doesn't change the fact that Painter sees him as a combo forward. When plays, he's a 3/4.

And yes, the minutes changed. I was wrong, you win. Congrats.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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