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Purdue No. 1?
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mongo Feb 28 2010, 10:34 AM Post #16
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No one ever gives us any love..........

If we beat Sparty at home today we should be #1. I know UK and KU etc only have 2 losses, but look at our SOS and RPI. How many wins would that be over ranked teams? How many wins in a row? Exactly-

I think our schedule speaks for itself and if we win, especially w/o Rob, we should be #1.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/PUR/purdue-boilermakers?tag=untagged

Wow they have Northwestern's RPI at 97? That seems way too low.
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Duke is going to have a legit argument for a #1 seed. They're 24-4 with the #4 SOS.

IMO, the possible #1 seeds are Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, and Duke (in no partcular order). The bottom line is that I can't see all of them winning their conference title outright AND winning their conference tourney.
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No one ever gives us any love..........

If we beat Sparty at home today we should be #1. I know UK and KU etc only have 2 losses, but look at our SOS and RPI. How many wins would that be over ranked teams? How many wins in a row? Exactly-

I think our schedule speaks for itself and if we win, especially w/o Rob, we should be #1.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/PUR/purdue-boilermakers?tag=untagged

Wow they have Northwestern's RPI at 97? That seems way too low.
Only two games OOC against top 100 RPI teams; only one op 50 RPI win all year; 4-8 in games against top 100 RPI. They also only play Ohio State and Purdue once each, so their overall SOS is hurt.
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I'd buy the argument that beating MSU without Hummel would help your ranking IF Hummel was coming back. But he's out for the year so you won't get any help by beating a team without a star player.

And I know its not the end-all be-all, but as of right now, Pomeroy and Sagarin both have Purdue at #5. Those rankings take into account SOS as well. And I don't think a home win against MSU would boost them past Kansas or Duke in these rankings.

And personally (I don't know whether it's fair or not) I think voters will take into account that Purdue has lost Hummel and that will keep them out of the #1 spot in a lot of voter's minds.[/quote]I'd buy that argument...if Hummel were coming back. But you won't be helped in the rankings by beating a team without your top player when he is out for the year.
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I still argue that the ranking should reflect accomplishment, not potential.
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No one ever gives us any love..........

If we beat Sparty at home today we should be #1. I know UK and KU etc only have 2 losses, but look at our SOS and RPI. How many wins would that be over ranked teams? How many wins in a row? Exactly-

I think our schedule speaks for itself and if we win, especially w/o Rob, we should be #1.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/PUR/purdue-boilermakers?tag=untagged

I can't disagree, but it most likely won't happen.
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Duke is going to have a legit argument for a #1 seed. They're 24-4 with the #4 SOS.

IMO, the possible #1 seeds are Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, and Duke (in no partcular order). The bottom line is that I can't see all of them winning their conference title outright AND winning their conference tourney.
I really dont see how Duke has a SOS of 4. The ACC is not very good this year. They have only 1 ranked team. This team is not nearly as good of team when away from Cameron. There OOC schedule was not that strong and of there 4 games that were tough ( Uconn, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Georgtown) they went 2-2, and I personally think Gonzaga is overrated.
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Duke is going to have a legit argument for a #1 seed. They're 24-4 with the #4 SOS.

IMO, the possible #1 seeds are Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, and Duke (in no partcular order). The bottom line is that I can't see all of them winning their conference title outright AND winning their conference tourney.
I really dont see how Duke has a SOS of 4. The ACC is not very good this year. They have only 1 ranked team. This team is not nearly as good of team when away from Cameron. There OOC schedule was not that strong and of there 4 games that were tough ( Uconn, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Georgtown) they went 2-2, and I personally think Gonzaga is overrated.
I hate Duke but I could see them having a case for a one seed. They'll likely win the ACC regular season and tournament, and are 14-3 against the RPI top 100, with 8 wins against teams in the top 50.
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No one ever gives us any love..........

If we beat Sparty at home today we should be #1. I know UK and KU etc only have 2 losses, but look at our SOS and RPI. How many wins would that be over ranked teams? How many wins in a row? Exactly-

I think our schedule speaks for itself and if we win, especially w/o Rob, we should be #1.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/PUR/purdue-boilermakers?tag=untagged

Wow they have Northwestern's RPI at 97? That seems way too low.
Only two games OOC against top 100 RPI teams; only one op 50 RPI win all year; 4-8 in games against top 100 RPI. They also only play Ohio State and Purdue once each, so their overall SOS is hurt.
Yeah I just looked at their schedule. Not that many impressive wins, sounds about right.
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Duke is going to have a legit argument for a #1 seed. They're 24-4 with the #4 SOS.

IMO, the possible #1 seeds are Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, and Duke (in no partcular order). The bottom line is that I can't see all of them winning their conference title outright AND winning their conference tourney.
I really dont see how Duke has a SOS of 4. The ACC is not very good this year. They have only 1 ranked team. This team is not nearly as good of team when away from Cameron. There OOC schedule was not that strong and of there 4 games that were tough ( Uconn, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Georgtown) they went 2-2, and I personally think Gonzaga is overrated.
I hate Duke but I could see them having a case for a one seed. They'll likely win the ACC regular season and tournament, and are 14-3 against the RPI top 100, with 8 wins against teams in the top 50.
Ya i just feel most of those have come against average ACC teams and when playing tougher teams like Wisonson and G-Town on the road they have looked somewhat average.
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do i even need to link the multiple threads in the past that i've stated that kansas isn't as good as advertised? just sayin...

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Yeah, 27-2 isn't very good.
never said they weren't a good squad, but they aren't a "for-sure elite 8 team." I mean, let's take a look at their OOC schedule:

Hofstra
Memphis
Central Arkansas
Oakland
Tennessee Tech.
Alcorn St.
UCLA
Radford
La Salle
Michigan
Cal
Belmont
Temple
Cornell
Tennessee (loss)

WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

So, of all their OOC games, they lost to the only good opponent. yup, this is a team that shows strength....

Again, not saying they aren't good, but they're getting wayyyyyy too much credit.

Honestly, i won't be surprised if they lose to k-state on wednesday.

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Kansas isn't great, but they are the most complete team in the country.....as I've stated several times all season. You were so sure of Kansas that you ignored my early season bets that they were a final four lock.
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Wow...ballsy prediction there, evil. Kansas in the final four. How long did it take for you to predict that one?

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Duke is going to have a legit argument for a #1 seed. They're 24-4 with the #4 SOS.

IMO, the possible #1 seeds are Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, and Duke (in no partcular order). The bottom line is that I can't see all of them winning their conference title outright AND winning their conference tourney.
I really dont see how Duke has a SOS of 4. The ACC is not very good this year. They have only 1 ranked team. This team is not nearly as good of team when away from Cameron. There OOC schedule was not that strong and of there 4 games that were tough ( Uconn, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Georgtown) they went 2-2, and I personally think Gonzaga is overrated.
SOS has nothing to do with who you beat, so their record against the best four teams they played is irrelevant. Items you are talking about have more to do with RPI rather than SOS.
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Duke is going to have a legit argument for a #1 seed. They're 24-4 with the #4 SOS.

IMO, the possible #1 seeds are Kansas, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, and Duke (in no partcular order). The bottom line is that I can't see all of them winning their conference title outright AND winning their conference tourney.
I really dont see how Duke has a SOS of 4. The ACC is not very good this year. They have only 1 ranked team. This team is not nearly as good of team when away from Cameron. There OOC schedule was not that strong and of there 4 games that were tough ( Uconn, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Georgtown) they went 2-2, and I personally think Gonzaga is overrated.
SOS has nothing to do with who you beat, so their record against the best four teams they played is irrelevant. Items you are talking about have more to do with RPI rather than SOS.
I know i just find it weird they have that high of SOS with the ACC not being that great. To me that SOS is misleading IMO
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I think people get influenced by quality wins and forgot about other components of SOS.

The ACC does have 9 teams in the top 100. The bottom of their conference is definitely stronger than the Big Ten's...NC State is a bottom feeder in the ACC, and I think they are definitely better than Penn State, IU, and Iowa. I'd say that in the ACC there aren't any gimme games.
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