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Matta for COY???; Are you kidding?
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BoilerVision Mar 7 2010, 03:06 AM Post #1
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Matta has the most talented group of players, including the best player in the nation, and it took him three years just to get them to play to their potential. He only plays six, and has not developed a true PG...which will likely cost them early in the NCAA. Sorry, but I have a hard time taking this seriously.

I can't decide who I would vote for, but it would come down to two: cRyan and Painter. cRyan had an conference contender once again...though I don't see what was so shocking about it. They returned all their guards and always have plenty of big players. Painter, on the other hand, probably had the best combination of talent, depth, and experience on the court. Ended up losing a player who is virtually irreplaceable and still managed to win three of his last four to clinch a share of the title.

And I would vote for Izzo and even Weeper before I would vote for Matta. But that's just my opinion.

What are some other Coach of the Year opinions?
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lmao! best bruce weber nickname I've heard. thanks for that one..


oh, and Evan Turner's injury PROVES that matta isn't a good coach. they struggled to beat average teams without turner, and poof once he's back they're contenders. without hummel purdue obviously isn't as good, but they've still held their own which I think should make painter the favorite. ultimately I think the award will be for, "we thought your team would suck, but they didn't, so here's an award" which would make bo a shoo-in.
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lmao! best bruce weber nickname I've heard. thanks for that one..


oh, and Evan Turner's injury PROVES that matta isn't a good coach. they struggled to beat average teams without turner, and poof once he's back they're contenders. without hummel purdue obviously isn't as good, but they've still held their own which I think should make painter the favorite. ultimately I think the award will be for, "we thought your team would suck, but they didn't, so here's an award" which would make bo a shoo-in.
I agree that it would most likely go to cRyan and for the reason you named.

I don't see why cRyan deserves it any more than Painter, but I could be a little biased. As I said before the season started, the media vastly over rated Illinois, and under rated Wisconsin. Experience in the backcourt goes a long way, and it's something the Badgers had and the Illini didn't have.
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lmao! best bruce weber nickname I've heard. thanks for that one..


oh, and Evan Turner's injury PROVES that matta isn't a good coach. they struggled to beat average teams without turner, and poof once he's back they're contenders. without hummel purdue obviously isn't as good, but they've still held their own which I think should make painter the favorite. ultimately I think the award will be for, "we thought your team would suck, but they didn't, so here's an award" which would make bo a shoo-in.
I agree that it would most likely go to cRyan and for the reason you named.

I don't see why cRyan deserves it any more than Painter, but I could be a little biased. As I said before the season started, the media vastly over rated Illinois, and under rated Wisconsin. Experience in the backcourt goes a long way, and it's something the Badgers had and the Illini didn't have.
illinois ALWAYS underachieves. picking them to finish higher than fourth is a horrible gamble any given season. regardless, weber's name doesn't deserve to be anywhere close to COY.

as far as experience goes Illinois has McCamey and Wisco has Trevon Hughes so it's not like they're inexperienced.
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lmao! best bruce weber nickname I've heard. thanks for that one..


oh, and Evan Turner's injury PROVES that matta isn't a good coach. they struggled to beat average teams without turner, and poof once he's back they're contenders. without hummel purdue obviously isn't as good, but they've still held their own which I think should make painter the favorite. ultimately I think the award will be for, "we thought your team would suck, but they didn't, so here's an award" which would make bo a shoo-in.
I agree that it would most likely go to cRyan and for the reason you named.

I don't see why cRyan deserves it any more than Painter, but I could be a little biased. As I said before the season started, the media vastly over rated Illinois, and under rated Wisconsin. Experience in the backcourt goes a long way, and it's something the Badgers had and the Illini didn't have.
illinois ALWAYS underachieves. picking them to finish higher than fourth is a horrible gamble any given season. regardless, weber's name doesn't deserve to be anywhere close to COY.

as far as experience goes Illinois has McCamey and Wisco has Trevon Hughes so it's not like they're inexperienced.
McCamey and Jeff Jordan are the only experience that Illinois has in the backcourt. McCamey is new to his PG position, and Jordan is merely a role player who provides little leadership.

The point I'm making is that Illinois had two holes to fill in it's backcourt (Frazier and Meachem), while Wisconsin had all three of it's key guards returning (Hughes, Taylor, Bohannon). Replacing Landry and Krabby is not near as big a job as replacing the two primary ballhandlers IMO especially when UW always has plenty of bigs that can shoot.

I don't like Weeper any more than you do. But before the season I felt that he had a much bigger task at hand than cRyan did. And I still feel that way. And if Illinois completes its sweep of UW tomorrow, I would be inclined to put Painter on the top of my COY list.
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i'd agree with that.

by the way, with turner gone they lost 3 games (they have seven losses this season) including two ugly losses to Wisco and Michigan. Obviously Turner is a great player, but O$U has enough talent on their roster to at least challenge Wisco and beat Michigan. when hummel went down Purdue only lost to MSU (his first full game out, no less) which is nothing like losing to Michigan.


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totally off topic, but while researching that i just re-realized that crappy UNC beat both MSU and OSU. ouch. albeit that UNC appeared to be a least marginally better earlier this season -- but still.
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by the way, with turner gone they lost 3 games (they have seven losses this season) including two ugly losses to Wisco and Michigan. Obviously Turner is a great player, but O$U has enough talent on their roster to at least challenge Wisco and beat Michigan. when hummel went down Purdue only lost to MSU (his first full game out, no less) which is nothing like losing to Michigan.
Agreed.

Tim Doyle on BTN says he deserves COY, and I have heard others on ESPN say it as well. I just have a hard time seeing the reasoning behind their logic.
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Oh, and to add to your point, I'll say that if it weren't for Turner making a miraculous recovery, I think OSU would be on the NIT side of the bubble right now.

Just speculation of course...
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Oh, and to add to your point, I'll say that if it weren't for Turner making a miraculous recovery, I think OSU would be on the NIT side of the bubble right now.

Just speculation of course...
totally agree.

secondly, I need to add Tim Doyle to my BTN announcer hit list. i hated the guy as a player, but he's much worse as an announcer. he needs to keep his NW bias to himself. actually BTN as a whole need to keep their NW bias under control.

lastly, i think that carmondy might have even deserved a nod over Matta had his Wildcats not gone NITCats on everyone again.
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Oh, and to add to your point, I'll say that if it weren't for Turner making a miraculous recovery, I think OSU would be on the NIT side of the bubble right now.

Just speculation of course...
totally agree.

secondly, I need to add Tim Doyle to my BTN announcer hit list. i hated the guy as a player, but he's much worse as an announcer. he needs to keep his NW bias to himself. actually BTN as a whole need to keep their NW bias under control.

lastly, i think that carmondy might have even deserved a nod over Matta had his Wildcats not gone NITCats on everyone again.
Yeah, but on that note, I can't wait to see NW next year (except when they play Purdue). I think Carmody is an outstanding coach who just seems to have the worst luck. There always seems to be an injury or transfe,r just as soon as they start to find the NCAA bubble.

If everyone returns, and Coble is healthy, I fully expect him to take the Purple Kitties to the NCAA...and perhaps maintain a steady top 25 ranking as well.
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Scratch Matta for needing a superstar to be successful (see Krispy and Wade)
Scratch cRyan for being a dick
If Weeper can hold serve today, he deserves to be in the conversation
Painter has the Boilers positioned for a 1-2 seed and is the front runner.
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Illinois might not even make the tournament. How could anyone suggest Weber for COY? I think it has to be Painter. As for Matta, it doesn't matter who he lost to early in the season without Evan Turner because the Big Ten COY discussion is only for Big Ten play (at least I think). With that said, it seems everyone was in agreement that MSU and Purdue would battle it out for the Big Ten championship with OSU and a few others close behind. So if anything, OSU has overachieved and in comparison with Purdue would give Matta an advantage.

So I think the vote should go to Painter, but if Matta wins I wouldn't even blink.
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Bo Ryan and it shouldn't even be close. Just like for national coach of the year it should be Boeheim and shouldn't be close.
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Bo Ryan and it shouldn't even be close. Just like for national coach of the year it should be Boeheim and shouldn't be close.
What has Ryan done ? Make a case.

I'm so tired of this guy getting consideration no matter how the Badgers do. He's a great coach, but he gets love every year.
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Bo Ryan and it shouldn't even be close. Just like for national coach of the year it should be Boeheim and shouldn't be close.
What has Ryan done ? Make a case.

I'm so tired of this guy getting consideration no matter how the Badgers do. He's a great coach, but he gets love every year.
I think that's because every year people say, "Ok, this is the year that the Badgers finally fall back to the pack." I mean the managed to stay in the race without Leuer who missed a whopping 8 games right in the middle of Big Ten season. If they win today, that's 13-5 with their best player missing 8 games. Purdue is at 14-4. If Hummel missed 8 games instead of 2 I think it's pretty safe to say that everyone here would be ecstatic with 13-5. Wisky and Bo Ryan had a VERY impressive year in my opinion.
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