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Matta for COY???; Are you kidding?
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dçamden03 Mar 8 2010, 01:42 AM Post #31
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Come on dreach, you are seriously going to use a DCism in your argument ? With all due respect, you seem to disagree with him quite a bit. But that's beside the point.

The recruiting jab has nothing to do with COY consideration, I agree. That was just some bonus venom from me.

The wins without Leuer ? NW, Michigan twice, PSU, IU, and at home against MSU without Lucas. Those are games they should win anyway. Losses to Purdue, OSU and Illinois.

It's the same argument every year with Bo. I still submit that the style of play is what gets Wisky a lot of their good wins. That is obviously due to Bo, but it also makes it appear that he does more with less because of some other reason.
Just saying that even one of your own who isn't a huge Ryan fan thinks he's recruiting as well as he possibly can.
I'm not a huge Ryan fan? Why do you say that? When did I say that? I just don't like UW because they always win and seem to screw us.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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dçamden03 Mar 8 2010, 01:44 AM Post #32
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Painter, obviously!

And objectively, I can't put together a better argument for him over Bo, so I'm not even gonna try. I just get annoyed with all the Bo love and myths that he has circulating about him that just aren't true.
Haha. Fair enough.

I chose Painter because Purdue was picked to win the Big Ten Championship and they did. Sometimes living up to expectations can be more impressive than exceeding them. That said, I think Painter, Matta and Ryan could all win COY and I wouldn't have a problem with any of them.
MSU was picked to win the B10 this year.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I think Ryan is a great coach. And he actually recruits pretty well, and recruits exactly what he needs to fit his system, although it may not always produce top 10 classes nationally. Matt Painter put it best earlier in the year:


"If anybody's surprised about Wisconsin ever having success, you shouldn't cover basketball," Painter said. "I don't know how many times (Ryan) has to prove it.

"Each year they say, 'You lose these two guys,' and they're still in the top of the Big Ten. And the next year they lose two more guys and you say, 'Well, they're not going to have as good of a year,' then they're on top of the Big Ten. It's like 'Groundhog Day,' it just keeps happening and people say, 'We're surprised about Wisconsin's team.' Anybody who really says that, shouldn't cover the game, they shouldn't be allowed to talk publicly or write, but they do it every single year and I think he has proven himself."
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Too many posts for me to reply to individually so I'll just say this in one post:

1) cRyan is an outstanding coach, but I get a kick out of how the media always makes it seem as if he recruits Chris Reid/Brett Finkelmeier-type players and turns them into all-conference performers. They were even saying that when he had Devin Harris...who happened to be one of the best NBA prospects the Big Ten has seen the last ten years. He consistantly recruits 4-star (and sometimes 5-star) guys, puts them on the shelf for one or two years, and when that player emerges as a soph or junior, everyone acts like it's great player development by cRyan. It's not a coincidence when a coach consistently competes for the title, that is indeed evidence of great coaching, but the reviews he gets year in and year out are always far-fetched IMO. He is very much a legit candidate for COY, but I wouldn't say his coaching job is any more superior this season than Painter.

2) I never said Weber should be a candidate. All I said is that I think he's more deserving than Matta. He did a decent job with what he had, but replacing a backcourt, plus having to move your best wing player to PG is very tough. His preseason expectations were just too high.
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I think Ryan is a great coach. And he actually recruits pretty well, and recruits exactly what he needs to fit his system, although it may not always produce top 10 classes nationally. Matt Painter put it best earlier in the year:


"If anybody's surprised about Wisconsin ever having success, you shouldn't cover basketball," Painter said. "I don't know how many times (Ryan) has to prove it.

"Each year they say, 'You lose these two guys,' and they're still in the top of the Big Ten. And the next year they lose two more guys and you say, 'Well, they're not going to have as good of a year,' then they're on top of the Big Ten. It's like 'Groundhog Day,' it just keeps happening and people say, 'We're surprised about Wisconsin's team.' Anybody who really says that, shouldn't cover the game, they shouldn't be allowed to talk publicly or write, but they do it every single year and I think he has proven himself."
I like that quote from Painter, its pretty much what my buddy and I have been saying for years. I just want to be on the record saying I'd be ok with either Painter or Ryan winning. Both deserve it.
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Come on dreach, you are seriously going to use a DCism in your argument ? With all due respect, you seem to disagree with him quite a bit. But that's beside the point.

The recruiting jab has nothing to do with COY consideration, I agree. That was just some bonus venom from me.

The wins without Leuer ? NW, Michigan twice, PSU, IU, and at home against MSU without Lucas. Those are games they should win anyway. Losses to Purdue, OSU and Illinois.

It's the same argument every year with Bo. I still submit that the style of play is what gets Wisky a lot of their good wins. That is obviously due to Bo, but it also makes it appear that he does more with less because of some other reason.
Just saying that even one of your own who isn't a huge Ryan fan thinks he's recruiting as well as he possibly can.
I'm not a huge Ryan fan? Why do you say that? When did I say that? I just don't like UW because they always win and seem to screw us.
Just thought you weren't a big fan of him. My bad.

As for MSU being picked to win the Big Ten - not by me and I'm guessing not by many Purdue fans. I'm sure the players felt plenty of pressure.
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Slightly off topic, but did y'all see that Yahoo named Kramer their National DPOY in their rankings? However they named Wall POY, so their judgement is suspect...
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Slightly off topic, but did y'all see that Yahoo named Kramer their National DPOY in their rankings? However they named Wall POY, so their judgement is suspect...
I saw that. Sometimes reputation takes precedence for whatever reason.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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