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HoosierLars Mar 13 2010, 10:40 AM Post #1
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I thought we might still pull a #3 even with a loss yesterday, but when I saw we had 11 points with 7:00 left in the first, I had an "oh shit" moment, and imagined something like a 42-37 loss at the hands of the Wildcats. The talking heads would have been going on about how much the team needed Hummel, and how the loss was such a shame.

Now being completely objective, I believe this team could be top 20 without Hummel, and deserves at least a top 4-5 seed. When you factor in our BT championship, overall record, and going 3-1 since the loss, a #3 is a lock, and a win today locks a #2. A loss today makes us a 2-3.
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brumdog44 Mar 13 2010, 11:01 AM Post #2
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From my point of view, seeding should be based on accomplishment and not on predicted future performance.

Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't tend to view it that way. I think they will be a 3 with a loss to Minnesota, 2 with a win.

What happens if they were actually win the BTT?
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From my point of view, seeding should be based on accomplishment and not on predicted future performance.

Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't tend to view it that way. I think they will be a 3 with a loss to Minnesota, 2 with a win.

What happens if they were actually win the BTT?
If PU wins the BTT, they have to get a #1.
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From my point of view, seeding should be based on accomplishment and not on predicted future performance.

Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't tend to view it that way. I think they will be a 3 with a loss to Minnesota, 2 with a win.

What happens if they were actually win the BTT?
If PU wins the BTT, they have to get a #1.
Doubt it happens.

We're the Rodney Dangerfield's of the 2010 NCAA basketball season.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I agree with you guys that Purdue deserves a #1 if they win the BTT. However, how do you explain the #5 seed after winning the tourney last year? I think the brackets are pretty well locked in by Sunday afternoon, and the BTT championship game only factors in if a bubble team or worse (think Iowa) wins it. Purdue hasn't even been in the conversation for a #1 this week, yet when Syracuse goes down early and their center is injured, there's little talk about dropping them. I'm not bitter, but the east coast bias is pretty obvious at times.
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I agree with you guys that Purdue deserves a #1 if they win the BTT. However, how do you explain the #5 seed after winning the tourney last year? I think the brackets are pretty well locked in by Sunday afternoon, and the BTT tourney only factors in if a bubble team or worse (think Iowa) wins it. Purdue hasn't even been in the conversation for a #1 this week, yet when Syracuse goes down early and their center is injured, there's little talk about dropping them. I'm not bitter, but the east coast bias is pretty obvious at times.
I don't think the committee will have an east coast bias though.

Its pretty simple IMO, the KUs and UKs of the world pass the eye ball test more so than Purdue. Is that right? No, not really, but that's just how it is.

In the end, the best teams will survive.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I agree with you guys that Purdue deserves a #1 if they win the BTT. However, how do you explain the #5 seed after winning the tourney last year? I think the brackets are pretty well locked in by Sunday afternoon, and the BTT tourney only factors in if a bubble team or worse (think Iowa) wins it. Purdue hasn't even been in the conversation for a #1 this week, yet when Syracuse goes down early and their center is injured, there's little talk about dropping them. I'm not bitter, but the east coast bias is pretty obvious at times.
I don't think the committee will have an east coast bias though.

Its pretty simple IMO, the KUs and UKs of the world pass the eye ball test more so than Purdue. Is that right? No, not really, but that's just how it is.

In the end, the best teams will survive.
thats right, if you're the best team you will win it. no matter if your a #1 or #2 seed. It is still nice to be a #1 seed though.
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I agree with you guys that Purdue deserves a #1 if they win the BTT. However, how do you explain the #5 seed after winning the tourney last year? I think the brackets are pretty well locked in by Sunday afternoon, and the BTT tourney only factors in if a bubble team or worse (think Iowa) wins it. Purdue hasn't even been in the conversation for a #1 this week, yet when Syracuse goes down early and their center is injured, there's little talk about dropping them. I'm not bitter, but the east coast bias is pretty obvious at times.
I don't think the committee will have an east coast bias though.

Its pretty simple IMO, the KUs and UKs of the world pass the eye ball test more so than Purdue. Is that right? No, not really, but that's just how it is.

In the end, the best teams will survive.
Agreed. There's little difference between a #2 and #3. Maybe a high #3 would be better than a low #2 because it would place us in the Mideast regional?
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I agree with you guys that Purdue deserves a #1 if they win the BTT. However, how do you explain the #5 seed after winning the tourney last year? I think the brackets are pretty well locked in by Sunday afternoon, and the BTT tourney only factors in if a bubble team or worse (think Iowa) wins it. Purdue hasn't even been in the conversation for a #1 this week, yet when Syracuse goes down early and their center is injured, there's little talk about dropping them. I'm not bitter, but the east coast bias is pretty obvious at times.
I don't think the committee will have an east coast bias though.

Its pretty simple IMO, the KUs and UKs of the world pass the eye ball test more so than Purdue. Is that right? No, not really, but that's just how it is.

In the end, the best teams will survive.
thats right, if you're the best team you will win it. no matter if your a #1 or #2 seed. It is still nice to be a #1 seed though.
Oh, I definitely agree. Just like getting to being ranked #1 in the polls, its good for the perception of your program. And the 1 seed is the easiest draw, which is a positive.

A team like Purdue can't lose its best player and get the respect it probably deserves. Its just the way it is. And I don't have much of a problem with it, because without Hummel, Purdue isn't one of the 4 best teams in the country.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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If you guys win the Big 10 regular season and tournament, with OOC wins over West Virginia and Tenn do you deserve a 1? Definitely. But teams get dicked every year with their seeding. It happens.
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If you guys win the Big 10 regular season and tournament, with OOC wins over West Virginia and Tenn do you deserve a 1? Definitely. But teams get dicked every year with their seeding. It happens.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether the seeding should be based more on your entire body of work, or how you are playing at the end of the season. If you believe the latter, there's no way Purdue deserves a #1 unless we are BTT repeat champs. And like I wrote in my previous post, I don't think the committee uses the BTT championship game to decide between a #1 and #2.
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16th seed. maybe the play-in game?
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If you guys win the Big 10 regular season and tournament, with OOC wins over West Virginia and Tenn do you deserve a 1? Definitely. But teams get dicked every year with their seeding. It happens.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether the seeding should be based more on your entire body of work, or how you are playing at the end of the season. If you believe the latter, there's no way Purdue deserves a #1 unless we are BTT repeat champs. And like I wrote in my previous post, I don't think the committee uses the BTT championship game to decide between a #1 and #2.
I think you may be right that the Big ten tournament may not be that big of a factor. I mean the championship game ends like an hour before the selection show, the committee has to pretty much know what they're doing before that. I think that how you play down the stretch is a bigger factor than early games and the overall body of work, which isn't necessarily right.
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If you guys win the Big 10 regular season and tournament, with OOC wins over West Virginia and Tenn do you deserve a 1? Definitely. But teams get dicked every year with their seeding. It happens.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether the seeding should be based more on your entire body of work, or how you are playing at the end of the season. If you believe the latter, there's no way Purdue deserves a #1 unless we are BTT repeat champs. And like I wrote in my previous post, I don't think the committee uses the BTT championship game to decide between a #1 and #2.
I think you may be right that the Big ten tournament may not be that big of a factor. I mean the championship game ends like an hour before the selection show, the committee has to pretty much know what they're doing before that. I think that how you play down the stretch is a bigger factor than early games and the overall body of work, which isn't necessarily right.
If its OSU/Purdue in the final, I bet they'll have put B10 #1 in as a 2 seed, and B10 #2 as a 3 seed, and the winner gets a 2.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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If you guys win the Big 10 regular season and tournament, with OOC wins over West Virginia and Tenn do you deserve a 1? Definitely. But teams get dicked every year with their seeding. It happens.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether the seeding should be based more on your entire body of work, or how you are playing at the end of the season. If you believe the latter, there's no way Purdue deserves a #1 unless we are BTT repeat champs. And like I wrote in my previous post, I don't think the committee uses the BTT championship game to decide between a #1 and #2.
I think you may be right that the Big ten tournament may not be that big of a factor. I mean the championship game ends like an hour before the selection show, the committee has to pretty much know what they're doing before that. I think that how you play down the stretch is a bigger factor than early games and the overall body of work, which isn't necessarily right.
If its OSU/Purdue in the final, I bet they'll have put B10 #1 in as a 2 seed, and B10 #2 as a 3 seed, and the winner gets a 2.
I could see that. It'll be interesting what happens with the 2 seeds with Nova already losing, Cuse losing and maybe losing their one seed, and the game today between K-State/Kansas. Also if Tenn knocks off UK today and wins the SEC, its possible they get 2 seed consideration. God I love March, its such a clusterfuck.
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