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Guy-Marc Michel signs LOI for IU
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what a long post of absolute crap!!!
Perhaps, Ichycrotch, you would like to provide us with some of your brain-dead, retarded slug insight? Please, I beseech you to enlighten us with your wisdom...if there are any brain cells alive after the nightly beating your head takes being banged against the bed post after being reamed by your Davis Apologist butt-buddies.
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You guys sure were pumped when Sampson was pulling exclusively JuCo classes...what happened to your mirth?

I dont know about this one either, I sure would have liked to have at least given Kevin Noreen a chance...a proven player...my cronies in Bloomington tell me his visit this weekend to IU has already been cancelled because of the Michel signing?

Dont forget...it hasnt been unusual throughout Crean's tenure for one kid's signing leading to another kid's transfer...like I said earlier, Crean has a method to his madness, and its hard to understand.

I've been reading the Indy Star blogs and such...I sure wish people would shutup about Crean "not being able to coach" and "not being a fit for IU" and "not being able to recruit"....he coached and won big-time in the hardest conference in the country for a long time. And did it without cheating. Good things will come...he has just got to get over this hump, get his first MARQUEE recruiting class, and win some games. It is going to happen.
Fallen, I have always respected your opinion and you bring good insight to this board, but how long do we have to wait? I was a little overzealous last year with my prediction, but really wasn't that far off either and it they would have been close to .500 if Creek hadn't gotten hurt. I am think they will play at least .500 ball next year, but how long do we have to wait for Crean to start winning 20 plus games? He may not have until the 2012 class. Maybe the AD is/will start putting pressure on him to win, the fans sure will.
Dedicated...(and this goes out to all the other guys, young and old) that are wondering how long this is going to take...

Like I said when Crean was first brought in, it almost did not matter WHO took Sampson's spot as head coach. The devastation at I.U. was complete. You could have brought in, say, John Calipari who is irrefutably the best recruiter in college basketball and he wouldnt survive (and even I realize that now). Why? His players don't attend school for school and basketball...they attend solely for basketball. That isn't tolerated at I.U.

Lets go back to the devastation factor. A fractured fan base, alumni being exiled, the Athletic Department making up for their revenue losses by tripling ticket prices (you have to buy a RIGHT to buy tickets now to attend an I.U. game), drug problems, a horrible G.P.A., a bunch of head-case players, and having to suffer the punishment left on the school as a result of Sampson's actions. If that is not catastrophic enough for you guys, the only thing worse than all that is a "Lack of Institutional Control" penalty by the NCAA. Programs can get wiped off the face of the map for that.

Its such an astronomical task to overcome all of that, that before you even THINK about winning and recruiting (all the fans seem to care about) you have to restructure the entire program, re-set the school's standards, win back the fans, start generating revenue, and so on and so forth. Fans are doing nothing but trying to cripple Crean's ability to do that by already wanting him fired for not bringing in great talent.

Now getting back to the only thing people care about...winning and recruiting "5 Star" players...Crean can do that, and there are some big name, good student, great ball players out there that have IU's name written all over them. Crean has to address needs immediately. Clearly we need defense and rebounding and size....and Michel does/has all of that. I figured it would be three or four years before IU was N.I.T. ready, and I think we are on that path. If Crean has a healthy roster this season, I see no reason why IU cant easily win 6 more games than it did this year. And with that success will come the big names everyone is so crazy about, hence making our postseason appearance even sooner.

Knight came in back in the early 70's, I remember vividly, and turned it around in a season. I've seen it done before. Its not the early 70's though now, and its much harder. Endorsements, money, agents, slimey coaches, etc etc make it that much harder. And there are some damned good coaches recruiters in the Big Ten AND in the state of Indiana now thanks to Butler and Purdue's being on the uprise. Its all competition and out-working the others. If I dont see that effort from Crean in a year or two, I will be breathing down his neck as well.
So the big names will come after a "successful" 16 win season ?



OK.
These comments from a fan of a school who would know NOTHING about being a consistent contender?

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Ahhhh the dreaded Davis Apologist!
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Crean sucks, Sampson sucks, Davis sucks, Knight sucks, Keady sucks, Calapari sucks, Painter sucks, you suck.
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You guys sure were pumped when Sampson was pulling exclusively JuCo classes...what happened to your mirth?

I dont know about this one either, I sure would have liked to have at least given Kevin Noreen a chance...a proven player...my cronies in Bloomington tell me his visit this weekend to IU has already been cancelled because of the Michel signing?

Dont forget...it hasnt been unusual throughout Crean's tenure for one kid's signing leading to another kid's transfer...like I said earlier, Crean has a method to his madness, and its hard to understand.

I've been reading the Indy Star blogs and such...I sure wish people would shutup about Crean "not being able to coach" and "not being a fit for IU" and "not being able to recruit"....he coached and won big-time in the hardest conference in the country for a long time. And did it without cheating. Good things will come...he has just got to get over this hump, get his first MARQUEE recruiting class, and win some games. It is going to happen.
Fallen, I have always respected your opinion and you bring good insight to this board, but how long do we have to wait? I was a little overzealous last year with my prediction, but really wasn't that far off either and it they would have been close to .500 if Creek hadn't gotten hurt. I am think they will play at least .500 ball next year, but how long do we have to wait for Crean to start winning 20 plus games? He may not have until the 2012 class. Maybe the AD is/will start putting pressure on him to win, the fans sure will.
Dedicated...(and this goes out to all the other guys, young and old) that are wondering how long this is going to take...

Like I said when Crean was first brought in, it almost did not matter WHO took Sampson's spot as head coach. The devastation at I.U. was complete. You could have brought in, say, John Calipari who is irrefutably the best recruiter in college basketball and he wouldnt survive (and even I realize that now). Why? His players don't attend school for school and basketball...they attend solely for basketball. That isn't tolerated at I.U.

Lets go back to the devastation factor. A fractured fan base, alumni being exiled, the Athletic Department making up for their revenue losses by tripling ticket prices (you have to buy a RIGHT to buy tickets now to attend an I.U. game), drug problems, a horrible G.P.A., a bunch of head-case players, and having to suffer the punishment left on the school as a result of Sampson's actions. If that is not catastrophic enough for you guys, the only thing worse than all that is a "Lack of Institutional Control" penalty by the NCAA. Programs can get wiped off the face of the map for that.

Its such an astronomical task to overcome all of that, that before you even THINK about winning and recruiting (all the fans seem to care about) you have to restructure the entire program, re-set the school's standards, win back the fans, start generating revenue, and so on and so forth. Fans are doing nothing but trying to cripple Crean's ability to do that by already wanting him fired for not bringing in great talent.

Now getting back to the only thing people care about...winning and recruiting "5 Star" players...Crean can do that, and there are some big name, good student, great ball players out there that have IU's name written all over them. Crean has to address needs immediately. Clearly we need defense and rebounding and size....and Michel does/has all of that. I figured it would be three or four years before IU was N.I.T. ready, and I think we are on that path. If Crean has a healthy roster this season, I see no reason why IU cant easily win 6 more games than it did this year. And with that success will come the big names everyone is so crazy about, hence making our postseason appearance even sooner.

Knight came in back in the early 70's, I remember vividly, and turned it around in a season. I've seen it done before. Its not the early 70's though now, and its much harder. Endorsements, money, agents, slimey coaches, etc etc make it that much harder. And there are some damned good coaches recruiters in the Big Ten AND in the state of Indiana now thanks to Butler and Purdue's being on the uprise. Its all competition and out-working the others. If I dont see that effort from Crean in a year or two, I will be breathing down his neck as well.
So the big names will come after a "successful" 16 win season ?



OK.
These comments from a fan of a school who would know NOTHING about being a consistent contender?

:rofl: :rofl:
Rinse/repeat. That's what you always say when you have no real answer. Stay on topic douche.
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in other weird news, branden dawson is coming to visit this weekend. seems like a colossal waste of time to me for both parties..
He's going to be there for the Adidas May Classic with his AAU team, so why not take the time to check out the new facilities and talk to the coaching staff of a school that has offered you and recruited you? He's not really going out of his way to do so.
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in other weird news, branden dawson is coming to visit this weekend. seems like a colossal waste of time to me for both parties..
He's going to be there for the Adidas May Classic with his AAU team, so why not take the time to check out the new facilities and talk to the coaching staff of a school that has offered you and recruited you? He's not really going out of his way to do so.
I think he's coming the week before the May Classic, but I'm not 100% on that. Look, we all know he's not coming to IU so why even waste the time?
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in other weird news, branden dawson is coming to visit this weekend. seems like a colossal waste of time to me for both parties..
He's going to be there for the Adidas May Classic with his AAU team, so why not take the time to check out the new facilities and talk to the coaching staff of a school that has offered you and recruited you? He's not really going out of his way to do so.
I think he's coming the week before the May Classic, but I'm not 100% on that. Look, we all know he's not coming to IU so why even waste the time?
I'm pretty sure the May Classic is this coming weekend, so I think the visit is coinciding with that.

Lots of players take visits when they probably aren't going to that school. Marquis Teague visited both Purdue and IU frequently this past year and last summer. Its just how it works. Players like to take in-depth looks at schools, and schools like to do all that they can, especially with an in-state, top 25 talent.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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in other weird news, branden dawson is coming to visit this weekend. seems like a colossal waste of time to me for both parties..
He's going to be there for the Adidas May Classic with his AAU team, so why not take the time to check out the new facilities and talk to the coaching staff of a school that has offered you and recruited you? He's not really going out of his way to do so.
I think he's coming the week before the May Classic, but I'm not 100% on that. Look, we all know he's not coming to IU so why even waste the time?
I'm pretty sure the May Classic is this coming weekend, so I think the visit is coinciding with that.

Lots of players take visits when they probably aren't going to that school. Marquis Teague visited both Purdue and IU frequently this past year and last summer. Its just how it works. Players like to take in-depth looks at schools, and schools like to do all that they can, especially with an in-state, top 25 talent.
Ok if you're Tom Crean I guess i don't understand the appeal of recruiting him. To me it seems like a reach for a kid with little to no interest in our school while you could be recruiting worthwhile players. Whatever, that's Creans bed he's choosing to make. Hope it doesn't come back to bite him in the ass someday..
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on an unrelated tangent, does anyone get the feeling that our program is lacking a sense of direction right now? we all know crean has unmatched energy and enthusiasm, which is great and something that IU's program needs out of any coach, but to me it seems like that energy isn't focused on a clear mission.

take for instance the fact that at one moment we all expect to get good news, and the next it's horrible. one moment crean is upbeat about the future, but if you've ever listened to a post game interview with him you want to buy the man some prozac. one second we have bright stars of the future visiting campus, and the next we're offering scholarships to projects.

it's great that crean has all the energy, and that he wants to get things right, but right now we're lacking a solid sense of direction. it seems like he's running all over the place trying to open the right door and praying that a stud point guard and a big man will come out. i've been on the record as saying that i want to give the man the time he deserves given that he started out from scratch, but i've also said there are still a ton of question marks. i guess i'd feel better about the state of the program if i could look into the future and know where we're going; instead all i see is murky water.
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on an unrelated tangent, does anyone get the feeling that our program is lacking a sense of direction right now? we all know crean has unmatched energy and enthusiasm, which is great and something that IU's program needs out of any coach, but to me it seems like that energy isn't focused on a clear mission.

take for instance the fact that at one moment we all expect to get good news, and the next it's horrible. one moment crean is upbeat about the future, but if you've ever listened to a post game interview with him you want to buy the man some prozac. one second we have bright stars of the future visiting campus, and the next we're offering scholarships to projects.

it's great that crean has all the energy, and that he wants to get things right, but right now we're lacking a solid sense of direction. it seems like he's running all over the place trying to open the right door and praying that a stud point guard and a big man will come out. i've been on the record as saying that i want to give the man the time he deserves given that he started out from scratch, but i've also said there are still a ton of question marks. i guess i'd feel better about the state of the program if i could look into the future and know where we're going; instead all i see is murky water.
See my "IU has no identity" posts from a few months ago.
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on an unrelated tangent, does anyone get the feeling that our program is lacking a sense of direction right now? we all know crean has unmatched energy and enthusiasm, which is great and something that IU's program needs out of any coach, but to me it seems like that energy isn't focused on a clear mission.

take for instance the fact that at one moment we all expect to get good news, and the next it's horrible. one moment crean is upbeat about the future, but if you've ever listened to a post game interview with him you want to buy the man some prozac. one second we have bright stars of the future visiting campus, and the next we're offering scholarships to projects.

it's great that crean has all the energy, and that he wants to get things right, but right now we're lacking a solid sense of direction. it seems like he's running all over the place trying to open the right door and praying that a stud point guard and a big man will come out. i've been on the record as saying that i want to give the man the time he deserves given that he started out from scratch, but i've also said there are still a ton of question marks. i guess i'd feel better about the state of the program if i could look into the future and know where we're going; instead all i see is murky water.
See my "IU has no identity" posts from a few months ago.
at the end of the season it felt like we were going to the nice steakhouse downtown, but instead we just took an unexpected turn into the arby's drive thru. where is this going?

i'm hoping more questions get answered this season, and honestly within the last two posts i've probably stated the case pretty clearly for why high-profile recruits shouldn't commit to IU (at least right now).
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How about we collaboratively buy a hooker for Dawson this weekend? We aren't major boosters, so no NCAA sanctions could come of it.
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How about we collaboratively buy a hooker for Dawson this weekend? We aren't major boosters, so no NCAA sanctions could come of it.
McSlut or Brisc-ho variety?
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It's funny how less than a year ago everyone kept telling me that it was foolish to criticize Crean because he obviously knows more about running a basketball program than I do. I was hoping I was going to be proven wrong, but I really don't see any signs of things changing much. He is still making weird signings, didn't flat out bench kids for not playing hard, etc. I'm willing to give him a chance to sign the 2012 kids, but if he fails to get a really good recruiting class by then I think it's time to cut our losses with the guy. It's not like he is a great coach, as his career coaching records will show.

And for those who want to play the 'he walked into an impossible situation' card........Pitino was a young coach who had taken a team to the final four when he took over at Kentucky. At the time, they were in the midst of NCAA sanctions and yet they were able to lure players good enough to be considered contenders just a few years later. IU had a blank slate.......it's not like recruits could say 'I'm not going there because even if we win we can't play in the tourney'. Crean has made his own bed by either signing mediocre players or not being able to seal the deal on top recruits..........either way, he is responsible. You have 2 years Mr. Crean, otherwise those whispers you are starting to hear are going to turn into the chopping block.
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