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Guy-Marc Michel signs LOI for IU
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BTown11 May 10 2010, 02:32 AM Post #46
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It's funny how less than a year ago everyone kept telling me that it was foolish to criticize Crean because he obviously knows more about running a basketball program than I do. I was hoping I was going to be proven wrong, but I really don't see any signs of things changing much. He is still making weird signings, didn't flat out bench kids for not playing hard, etc. I'm willing to give him a chance to sign the 2012 kids, but if he fails to get a really good recruiting class by then I think it's time to cut our losses with the guy. It's not like he is a great coach, as his career coaching records will show.

And for those who want to play the 'he walked into an impossible situation' card........Pitino was a young coach who had taken a team to the final four when he took over at Kentucky. At the time, they were in the midst of NCAA sanctions and yet they were able to lure players good enough to be considered contenders just a few years later. IU had a blank slate.......it's not like recruits could say 'I'm not going there because even if we win we can't play in the tourney'. Crean has made his own bed by either signing mediocre players or not being able to seal the deal on top recruits..........either way, he is responsible. You have 2 years Mr. Crean, otherwise those whispers you are starting to hear are going to turn into the chopping block.
i agree about the 2012 class. i think that pretty much is a make or break season for him, for better or worse. one thing though, i think crean is regarded very highly in the coaching fraternity, slighting a guy like him could come back to bite you in the ass.
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How about we collaboratively buy a hooker for Dawson this weekend? We aren't major boosters, so no NCAA sanctions could come of it.
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It's funny how less than a year ago everyone kept telling me that it was foolish to criticize Crean because he obviously knows more about running a basketball program than I do. I was hoping I was going to be proven wrong, but I really don't see any signs of things changing much. He is still making weird signings, didn't flat out bench kids for not playing hard, etc. I'm willing to give him a chance to sign the 2012 kids, but if he fails to get a really good recruiting class by then I think it's time to cut our losses with the guy. It's not like he is a great coach, as his career coaching records will show.

And for those who want to play the 'he walked into an impossible situation' card........Pitino was a young coach who had taken a team to the final four when he took over at Kentucky. At the time, they were in the midst of NCAA sanctions and yet they were able to lure players good enough to be considered contenders just a few years later. IU had a blank slate.......it's not like recruits could say 'I'm not going there because even if we win we can't play in the tourney'. Crean has made his own bed by either signing mediocre players or not being able to seal the deal on top recruits..........either way, he is responsible. You have 2 years Mr. Crean, otherwise those whispers you are starting to hear are going to turn into the chopping block.
i agree about the 2012 class. i think that pretty much is a make or break season for him, for better or worse. one thing though, i think crean is regarded very highly in the coaching fraternity, slighting a guy like him could come back to bite you in the ass.
I don't see how potentially firing him for not getting the job done is slighting him. Good guy, just maybe not the best option for IU.
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It's funny how less than a year ago everyone kept telling me that it was foolish to criticize Crean because he obviously knows more about running a basketball program than I do. I was hoping I was going to be proven wrong, but I really don't see any signs of things changing much. He is still making weird signings, didn't flat out bench kids for not playing hard, etc. I'm willing to give him a chance to sign the 2012 kids, but if he fails to get a really good recruiting class by then I think it's time to cut our losses with the guy. It's not like he is a great coach, as his career coaching records will show.

And for those who want to play the 'he walked into an impossible situation' card........Pitino was a young coach who had taken a team to the final four when he took over at Kentucky. At the time, they were in the midst of NCAA sanctions and yet they were able to lure players good enough to be considered contenders just a few years later. IU had a blank slate.......it's not like recruits could say 'I'm not going there because even if we win we can't play in the tourney'. Crean has made his own bed by either signing mediocre players or not being able to seal the deal on top recruits..........either way, he is responsible. You have 2 years Mr. Crean, otherwise those whispers you are starting to hear are going to turn into the chopping block.
i agree about the 2012 class. i think that pretty much is a make or break season for him, for better or worse. one thing though, i think crean is regarded very highly in the coaching fraternity, slighting a guy like him could come back to bite you in the ass.
I don't see how potentially firing him for not getting the job done is slighting him. Good guy, just maybe not the best option for IU.
i meant an ugly firing. not like IU has had any of those recently..
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And here we go with the Crean under-performing talk non-sense again.... before his first full class even gets a chance to graduate.

What... his first real class are going to be sophomores, right?

:facepalm:

Of course there's uncertainty. Even for the head coach. There's going to be for awhile. We still haven't landed that guy Crean wants to, and our fanbase wants to for petes sake.

We need a game changer, and a team leader. We've yet to acquire one of those. Recruiting against the other powerhouse schools, especially when they all love to dip into Indiana unlike other schools dipping into other states as much... It's some tough competition.

Add to that that we've missed the tourney the past couple of years, and had some shitty seasons. Just got a new assistant coach from Colorado. The new basketball facility JUST got finished.

Give it a season or so... things will start rolling in our direction. They can't get any worse than what it has been. So just have a little faith in the guy. He means good... and he's going to work his ass off to make sure we have a worthy team in a year or so after his recruited guys grow up and mature in his system.
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How about we collaboratively buy a hooker for Dawson this weekend? We aren't major boosters, so no NCAA sanctions could come of it.
Gonna be expensive. She's going to have to be more attractive than the one Calapri has waiting for him in when he visits.
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And here we go with the Crean under-performing talk non-sense again.... before his first full class even gets a chance to graduate.

What... his first real class are going to be sophomores, right?

:facepalm:

Of course there's uncertainty. Even for the head coach. There's going to be for awhile. We still haven't landed that guy Crean wants to, and our fanbase wants to for petes sake.

We need a game changer, and a team leader. We've yet to acquire one of those. Recruiting against the other powerhouse schools, especially when they all love to dip into Indiana unlike other schools dipping into other states as much... It's some tough competition.

Add to that that we've missed the tourney the past couple of years, and had some shitty seasons. Just got a new assistant coach from Colorado. The new basketball facility JUST got finished.

Give it a season or so... things will start rolling in our direction. They can't get any worse than what it has been. So just have a little faith in the guy. He means good... and he's going to work his ass off to make sure we have a worthy team in a year or so after his recruited guys grow up and mature in his system.
I think that is what Btown and Evil are saying. Give it a couple years (2012) and see where we are.

Btown, you are where I was several months ago when I was frustrated and not seeing any direction and everyone told me to take a chill pill and wait and see. I was flip/flopping and I am probably still on the fence, but when it is all said an done, Crean has a contract until 2016 ( I think) and we have all agreed that the 2012 could be his make or break recruiting class. Also, I was one that wanted a JUCO big, but I didn't want one rated that low. I wanted someone like a Carl Landry type who could come in and make an impact right away and it will also free up the scholarship for the great 2012 class. I guess this goes back to "be careful what you wish for". Finally, I do see some direction, but it is mainly with guards. I don't think Crean knows what he wants in big men (power forward or center) and he doesn't know how to develop them or has anyone on his bench that can. I sure hope McClain can because we didn't have anyone before his arrival.
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I would really love to see a list of the coaches who are the "right fit" for IU from you idiots. Give examples, state their current jobs/contracts, and willingness to rebuild a program. I'll be waiting for this huge list of marquee coaches.

tick tock, tick tock
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if all you wanted was an upbeat coach that tries his ass off i guess maybe we should have hired ron hunter. nice guy, energetic, works hard, and couldnt recruit any worse than crean haha
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Tijan 2.0(Guy-Marc Michel) knows 3 languages. Now as long he doesn’t draw technicals for taunting people a second time, you should be OK.
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if all you wanted was an upbeat coach that tries his ass off i guess maybe we should have hired ron hunter. nice guy, energetic, works hard, and couldnt recruit any worse than crean haha
Lol.

Yeah.... I pity you if that's all you think Crean brings to the table.

A final four appearance on their resume'... don't forget that criteria.

He's still adjusting to Indiana. Recruiting his ass off trying to get Indiana's name in the back of all the recruits heads. It's not like he can physically force a kid to commit to us. He's doing what he can LEGALLY (which is something we've ALL been wanting), and not only that, just hired one of the best available assistant coaches in the nation.

Good things will come of this... Give it time.

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big whoop final 4 apperaance on his resume. you know mike davis has one of those on his resume and he didnt even have a dwayne wade on his team... maybe soon you will get the point
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i find it funny you bring up creans resume and the best you can come up with is final 4 appearance haha
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still adjusting to indiana?? you are an idiot! it is not like wisconsin is that far away from indiana is it??? and correct me if i am wrong when he left was not one of the best players on his team from indiana?
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still adjusting to indiana?? you are an idiot! it is not like wisconsin is that far away from indiana is it??? and correct me if i am wrong when he left was not one of the best players on his team from indiana?
Lol you bring up some good points.....

But the bottom line, recruiting from Wisconsin and Indiana are two entirely different things. Yes, James was from Indiana. Nice snag by Crean. He turned Marquette into a basketball force. Before him, who was Marquette?

You act like our program hasn't totally been shattered to pieces. LOL

This is a cleansing process that's going to at LEAST take a full, recruited by HIMSELF, class to pass through until we start seeing the changes we want. You think top recruits want to join a team that had a losing record? Seriously?

And the team Mike Davis took to the final four was Bobby Knights players. I'm positive in saying about 50% of the coaches could have taken over that team and taken them far into the tourney. His coaching is what kept us from winning our 6th national championship.

Indiana is a hotbed for recruits often stolen from tOSU (Mattas got connects), UK, UofL, and even Illinois. (Not to mention Purdue and Butler)

It's going to take a little time to sell a program that's been down in the dumps. Like I've said before.... the new facility JUST opened. We JUST now hired a well known and well deserved assistant coach.

You can't snap your fingers and hope the next day we come out looking like a national title contender. Shit takes time.
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