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| dreachon | Aug 30 2010, 11:34 PM Post #16 |
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There are academic standards and athletic standards. If one of our coaches says that this person passes the athletic standard and offers them an athletic scholarship, then they should be accepted. Once they are in school they need to perform well enough to maintain their scholarship. I'm totally OK with this. |
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| BTown11 | Aug 30 2010, 11:36 PM Post #17 |
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same. but i know that some are certainly not. |
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| timpickett22 | Aug 30 2010, 11:42 PM Post #18 |
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Agreed. As long as everything is done by the rules, I don't care if the player is taking quilting and other blow over classes. |
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| BTown11 | Aug 31 2010, 12:06 AM Post #19 |
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Yup, the moral of the story is most of the kids who are ranked rather highly are not one of the "going pro in something other than sports". I honestly wouldn't mind seeing universities implement a professional athlete major (obviously don't call it that) where you take economic classes, decision making, marketing, and how not to get screwed by an agent. Those are skills they're much more likely to use -- hell, a theatre major takes classes that help them become professional thespians, why can't athletes take classes that will help them become better professional athletes? |
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| dçamden03 | Aug 31 2010, 01:52 AM Post #20 |
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Seems like a completely different tone than when you have discussed the academics of players like John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, etc. I guess I just don't get why kids with athletic abilities but struggle in a large way in the classroom should be given their education for free. IMO, the NCAA is way too easy on incoming freshman student-athletes. I'd wish their eligibily requirements would go up. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| BTown11 | Aug 31 2010, 01:58 AM Post #21 |
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I believe I was referring to players who specifically commit academic misconduct. I wouldn't mind it being a bit tougher for student-athletes to get admitted; but it's not my athletic department to run, so I can only hope that the players admitted to IU represent the University well and take care of business in the classroom. After all, I'm just a basketball fan.. |
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| dçamden03 | Aug 31 2010, 02:05 AM Post #22 |
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Who specifically has committed academic misconduct? I just don't see how admitting kids like that is good for your basketball program, athletic department, or university. I'd think most fans would want higher standards academically for their program than "hey, the kid can play ball, get him admitted anyway you can". Hopefully, BJ Young puts in the work the next year or so and gets his academics together because he has loads of potential. But I don't think his basketball skills should warrant him a scholarship without showing the proper commitment to academics. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| BTown11 | Aug 31 2010, 02:11 AM Post #23 |
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1) Not even going there. That's been opened before, you can look in pass threads if you want to, but I'm not even going to think about opening that bitchfest again. 2) I totally agree, I think that kids get a free pass through high school because they can play basketball well. Coming from a high school that was division one sports centric, those kids literally cake walk through school, getting anything they want (including teachers that will commit misconduct on their behalf), and basically roaming the halls as if they're allowed to own the place. We could go into the ideologies of why this occurs (hell, some kids like Lance Stephenson grow up in essentially parent-less households and are told they're "born ready" from extremely young ages. Try not to get an ego when you have that and no real guidance) but I think we could save that for another thread. However, I'm on the path of thinking that if a player gets admitted to my school then I will assume they have done what they need to do up to that point. If they represent the University well academically in their years in college, that's all we can ask for. As far as BJ Young, he looks like a nice prospect, and if he can get things in order, that's great. But I have been on the record of, and I will continue to be, that I would rather have Yogi if we have the option. Just my two cents. |
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| dçamden03 | Aug 31 2010, 02:18 AM Post #24 |
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I like Young's size better than Yogi's, but either would be great at IU. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| BTown11 | Aug 31 2010, 02:19 AM Post #25 |
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I think Young is more of a swing-man, and Yogi is more of a true point. |
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| BTown11 | Aug 31 2010, 02:22 AM Post #26 |
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I mean, we can't really be selective. A five-star recruit is a five-star recruit and he could be a real game changer if you wrap Mo Creek, Watford, and the others (hopefully a 2011 big guy, too) around him. If BJ Young is willing to commit, I'm sure Tom Crean will be there with open arms, haha. To other IU fans who may not know because Young's name has kind of flown under the radar (I saw him play two or three times this Summer) and the kid has the "it" factor. He's a 6'4 swing guard (I think he favors the point) who is an excellent play-maker, distributor, and defender. He has quickness and ability to get to the lane, and the court vision to dish to open players. He has a nice shot, and he's very unselfish. IU hasn't seen someone as dynamic as him since Eric Gordon, and it's not really even close. |
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| dedicatedIUfan | Aug 31 2010, 08:21 AM Post #27 |
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Let's cross our fingers and hope that he commits. I would expect it to be sometime in October, maybe early November. Is he taking an official to IU sometime soon? It worries me that schools like Kansas are now starting to get in on him. I hope Crean has laid enough ground work to get him committed. I can almost see the same thing happening with him that happened to Irving. Almost the exact same scenario and he ended up at a school who got in on him late on the recruiting trail, DUKE. |
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| dreachon | Aug 31 2010, 11:03 AM Post #28 |
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I believe student athletes deserve scholarships because they don't have an opportunity to work their way through school, like I did. They literally donate thousands of hours to the University who makes millions of dollars off of them. A scholarship for a free education is the LEAST the University can do for these kids. Since the University takes away their opportunity to provide for themselves, they have a responsibility to provide for them. That's why the ones who choose real majors and not just general studies are so impressive. Their schedules are insane. I understand you want to see a commitment to academics before the kid gets to college. That's an ideal situation. But not everyone is in an ideal situation. If they do everything the NCAA has required of them and they are offered an athletic scholarship, then they should have the opportunity to prove they can make it at that University. Just my opinion. |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Aug 31 2010, 02:08 PM Post #29 |
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Not alarmed or worried a bit... Coach Crean makes the players work in the classroom. Check out the team GPA.. amazing change very quickly. Pretty sure if any of them struggle they would be required a tutor immediately. |
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| obatskii | Aug 31 2010, 02:11 PM Post #30 |
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