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Evilempire Dec 29 2010, 02:43 PM Post #31
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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
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dedicatedIUfan Dec 29 2010, 03:15 PM Post #32
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They do have an identity on defense, at least I thought they do and that is to let players dribble drive, shoot wide open 3's, and to get deflections to Crean can count them. ;)

All seriousness, I think it is the last one I mentioned, getting deflections. That is all good if you have the athletes to do that and have great anticipation and are quick enough to play in the passing lanes and recover. But this team doesn't have but maybe two on the entire roster.
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But this team doesn't have but maybe two on the entire roster.
we have two defensive "stoppers" but a whole lot of length and athleticism. verdell jones and christian watford are especially lanky, and watford is very athletic for his size. derek elston is another athletic big guy. we certainly have the personnel on the roster. no doubt.
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when I was in HS we used to switch up defense all the damn time. man, 3-2 zone, matchup zone, 1-3-1, traps, presses, etc. used to give opponents fits.
Please don't compare HS basketball to major D1 basketball.
Right...D1 basketball needs to be compared to jogging.

Seriously, man, you make it too easy. You put the 'post' in getting 'post'erized.
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when I was in HS we used to switch up defense all the damn time. man, 3-2 zone, matchup zone, 1-3-1, traps, presses, etc. used to give opponents fits.
Please don't compare HS basketball to major D1 basketball.
Right...D1 basketball needs to be compared to jogging.

Seriously, man, you make it too easy. You put the 'post' in getting 'post'erized.
:rofl:

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sorry btown, i usually find your assessments pretty much spot on, but i have to disagree on pritchard being a key to turning things around. when we were beating up on the likes of girl scout u TP was pretty a much a complete non-factor. he has, granted, looked more serviceable last couple games in limited roles, and i think that's just it...he is a 5-10 minute guy max who can exert himself for brief spurts off the bench and grab a rebound or two. that's all he is and i think at this point we can be pretty certain that's all he will be for the duration of his iu career. he offers minimal inside presence at best. moreover, more time for TP along with amping up a transition game are in no way positively correlated. he is nowhere close to fitting the cv of a big we need to be a transition team first.

i also have to say that we make it that much easier for teams to shut down the weave and our sets when jones allows himself to be bounced 10 feet off his spot every time a defender comes out to put a body on him. it is maddening. we need a more physical guard to handle the ball. even hulls at 4'10" does a better job getting thru and around defenders popping out.

short of the story is this team had to have guy for the inside presence, which i agree the lack thereof is killing us, and a 100 percent creek. sadly, creek looks like he maybe should have been red shirted this year - as painful as that would have been, especially for mo. but, he is nowhere near his playing level.

mid-season fixes? i really don't see any. though i hope i'm wrong. and optimism for next year? i want to see some results first...
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i'm not saying that TP is a good player, i'm just saying that his mere presence might make people play us a bit differently.
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i'm not saying that TP is a good player, i'm just saying that his mere presence might make people play us a bit differently.
understand...but i just don't see it. he is absolutely zero threat down low or anywhere else on the court. i suppose the one thing that may be different is if he just stands under the basket and forces the other team to at least half-ass cover him. many times the lane seems to be completely vacant on our offensive possessions.

given the way things are going, suppose it wouldn't hurt to try. but i have no expectations.
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Pritchard wasn't needed against the cream puffs because Watford/Elston weren't at a size disadvantage too often. Now that they are playing major conference teams, Watford/Elston will get beat up if they have to continue playing the opposing team's 4s and 5s. Having Pritchard in the lineup allows Elston/Watford to play more of a natural position which allows them to be useful offensively. It's true that you are getting next to nothing out of Pritchard offensively, but his presence is needed.
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the end result is we need a capable big, and we don't have one. there isn't a solution on the roster.
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Pritchard wasn't needed against the cream puffs because Watford/Elston weren't at a size disadvantage too often. Now that they are playing major conference teams, Watford/Elston will get beat up if they have to continue playing the opposing team's 4s and 5s. Having Pritchard in the lineup allows Elston/Watford to play more of a natural position which allows them to be useful offensively. It's true that you are getting next to nothing out of Pritchard offensively, but his presence is needed.
Maybe it will hurt us coming up, but the last three games hasn't seen any team throw a front line at us that looked to be any kind of imposing threat.

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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
How are we supposed to have an identity when our only "relevant" upperclassmen are Rivers, VJIII, and Pritchard?

It's amazing how quickly people forget about what our team looked like only 2 seasons ago.

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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
How are we supposed to have an identity when our only "relevant" upperclassmen are Rivers, VJIII, and Pritchard?

It's amazing how quickly people forget about what our team looked like only 2 seasons ago.

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Are you alarmed at all that that it seems that those 3 haven't improved or shown any sign of helping establish an identity? Seems to me that 3 guys who've been in the program 2+ years would start showing some positive traits from the coaching staff.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
How are we supposed to have an identity when our only "relevant" upperclassmen are Rivers, VJIII, and Pritchard?

It's amazing how quickly people forget about what our team looked like only 2 seasons ago.

br
Are you alarmed at all that that it seems that those 3 haven't improved or shown any sign of helping establish an identity? Seems to me that 3 guys who've been in the program 2+ years would start showing some positive traits from the coaching staff.
yawn. so bored of cliche.
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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
How are we supposed to have an identity when our only "relevant" upperclassmen are Rivers, VJIII, and Pritchard?

It's amazing how quickly people forget about what our team looked like only 2 seasons ago.

br
Are you alarmed at all that that it seems that those 3 haven't improved or shown any sign of helping establish an identity? Seems to me that 3 guys who've been in the program 2+ years would start showing some positive traits from the coaching staff.
yawn. so bored of cliche.
What cliche? I'd say some are tired of the "help is on the way" cliche. Eventually, improvement is going to have to be shown.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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