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Evilempire Dec 30 2010, 04:17 AM Post #46
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If Boeheim was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Cheaney was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Knight was our coach, our identity would be man to man defense and motion offense.
If Coach K was our coach, our identity would be tough man defense.
If Painter was our coach, our identity would be in your face man to man defense.
If Bo Ryan was the coach, our identity would be tough d and a swing offense.

I could go on and on. The first thing a coaching staff needs to implement is an identity. What is our team going to be about. What are we going to hang our hat on. This is Crean's 3rd season and IU has no identity. WE HAVE NO IDENTITY.
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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
How are we supposed to have an identity when our only "relevant" upperclassmen are Rivers, VJIII, and Pritchard?

It's amazing how quickly people forget about what our team looked like only 2 seasons ago.

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Are you alarmed at all that that it seems that those 3 haven't improved or shown any sign of helping establish an identity? Seems to me that 3 guys who've been in the program 2+ years would start showing some positive traits from the coaching staff.
I am scratching my head and wondering why?

Good post Dcam.
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If Boeheim was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Cheaney was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Knight was our coach, our identity would be man to man defense and motion offense.
If Coach K was our coach, our identity would be tough man defense.
If Painter was our coach, our identity would be in your face man to man defense.
If Bo Ryan was the coach, our identity would be tough d and a swing offense.

I could go on and on. The first thing a coaching staff needs to implement is an identity. What is our team going to be about. What are we going to hang our hat on. This is Crean's 3rd season and IU has no identity. WE HAVE NO IDENTITY.
We do have an identity: On defense it is getting deflections and on offense it is the 3 man weave.
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Evilempire Dec 30 2010, 02:06 PM Post #49
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If Boeheim was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Cheaney was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Knight was our coach, our identity would be man to man defense and motion offense.
If Coach K was our coach, our identity would be tough man defense.
If Painter was our coach, our identity would be in your face man to man defense.
If Bo Ryan was the coach, our identity would be tough d and a swing offense.

I could go on and on. The first thing a coaching staff needs to implement is an identity. What is our team going to be about. What are we going to hang our hat on. This is Crean's 3rd season and IU has no identity. WE HAVE NO IDENTITY.
We do have an identity: On defense it is getting deflections and on offense it is the 3 man weave.
OK, I'll agree with the 3 man weave......but getting deflections?......haven't seen much of that in any game not involving a glorified high school team.
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alright, back to solving problems. still don't believe there is a solution per se, but our defense and lack of intensity is killing me, so i'll start there. and it's not just interior defense, perimeter defense has been atrocious as well. instead of a transition first team or 3 happy team, maybe we try and make this a 'tough' team. yes, the offense will get ugly at times, but i think maybe it stands the best chance of keeping us in more games.

obviously rivers and oladipo are involved, the sad part then becomes the fact there aren't anymore clear cut options. i would still go with hulls at point, a defensive liability i know, but i like his intensity and he has been one of the few who has shown more or less consistent improvement...and we'll need a shooter and he's pretty much the best we've got. then i guess i have to go with watford, though he has to start playing tougher on the glass. and honestly, i'm at a loss for the last position...any help? suffice to say, if tijan were still around he would be starting for the sake of adding some physicality to the interior - even if it was random flying elbows. but, i'd like to see more of a focus on defense and intensity. if the offense gets even uglier...i can live with that if i feel we're competing up and down the court.

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Maybe my vision is no longer 20/10 but I've definitely seen an improvement in Jeremiahs game. He is a totally different player out there compared to last year. Last season he was afraid to have the ball in his hands, often times producing the deer in the headlights look, then passing it quickly, erratically. He's become a smarter player of the game, and you can see that in his passes this year, and he's our smartest defensive player.

Pritchard.... good God. Should have been on some serotonin pills since freshman year. He has zero confidence in his game and respectfully so. Freshman year was his best, and since other bigs (although not many) have joined to take pressure off of him, he still hasn't improved. There's many of times he just looks like he lacks confidence. I'm sorry, but if I were 6'9 240-250ish, I would NOT play with a lack of confidence. We've seen that his "skill set" isn't absolutely atrocious. He can pass well at times, rebound/box out well at times, and we've seen some crafty moves with his left hand on the block. I don't think that's a coaching thing, I think it's a huge mental thing with Pritch. I feel sorry for the guy at times because he just looks like he's miserable with himself out there in some games.

I've never been a huge fan of Verdell. His attitude at times has been babyish and he is completely out of control. Sure, I love the fact that he can score at will sometimes... but taken the good with the bad, the bad have outweighed the good by a long shot. There's no way anyone in the Big Ten has more turnovers than Verdell since hes been at IU. For someone that has played primarily the PG for the most part of his carrier, that's the worst thing you can have. He STILL has a scrawny frame and although I love how he tries to create and drive the lane, often times it ends up him charging in out of control, and running into much bigger/stronger players and looking like sissy wanting a call that wasn't there. I think some of his improvements come from the mental department as well, but obviously physically and fundamentally he can use some work.
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I've seen almost all of the games. I've been saying for 2 seasons that IU has no identity. There is nothing this team hangs it hat on. There is no attitude of 'I don't care if we get beat, this is who we are and this is how we are going to play'. I hate agreeing with Crampy more than anyone on this board, but he is right about IU having no identity.
How are we supposed to have an identity when our only "relevant" upperclassmen are Rivers, VJIII, and Pritchard?

It's amazing how quickly people forget about what our team looked like only 2 seasons ago.

br
Are you alarmed at all that that it seems that those 3 haven't improved or shown any sign of helping establish an identity? Seems to me that 3 guys who've been in the program 2+ years would start showing some positive traits from the coaching staff.
yawn. so bored of cliche.
What cliche? I'd say some are tired of the "help is on the way" cliche. Eventually, improvement is going to have to be shown.
I have seen a whole lot of improvement. I dare someone to go watch a game from 2008-2009. And anyways, who didn't expect growing pains in year three? I doubt that IU will just roll over the rest of the season.
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If Boeheim was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Cheaney was our coach, our identity would be a matchup zone.
If Knight was our coach, our identity would be man to man defense and motion offense.
If Coach K was our coach, our identity would be tough man defense.
If Painter was our coach, our identity would be in your face man to man defense.
If Bo Ryan was the coach, our identity would be tough d and a swing offense.

I could go on and on. The first thing a coaching staff needs to implement is an identity. What is our team going to be about. What are we going to hang our hat on. This is Crean's 3rd season and IU has no identity. WE HAVE NO IDENTITY.
We do have an identity: On defense it is getting deflections and on offense it is the 3 man weave.
OK, I'll agree with the 3 man weave......but getting deflections?......haven't seen much of that in any game not involving a glorified high school team.
Evil, it is a known fact that Crean wants deflections and he goes so far as to track deflections per game because he wants a minimum of so many per game. But my comment was more on the sarcastic end of it because, like you, I don't see deflections. Maybe I should have put one of these ;) or one of these :sarcasm: !
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It's amazing how fast some of you have turned on Crean. I don't expect to see you around when we're winning 20+.
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everyone will be back on board after we mop up the floor with osu tomorrow...
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It's amazing how fast some of you have turned on Crean. I don't expect to see you around when we're winning 20+.
Who turned on him? I am just speaking what I have observed. He doesn't have the personnel to run his type of offense and to play his type of defense. I am just a little critical of the fact that he doesn't seem to use the bench as a motivator for certain players but he has for a few and I see them respond. Also, I think he should implement a motion type offense that is centered around getting movement and high percentage shots. I see a lot of standing around, 3 man weave, and one-on-one type of play and he doesn't have people that can create their own shot. The best we have, lord help me on what I am about to say, is Verdell Jones, but he (also Watford) isn't strong wit the ball. Also, we don't have the personnel to play in your face defense, pressure the ball, and get deflections, which could turn into steals. He needs to employ something that will work for this team, what that is I have no idea. But don't say that some of us has turned on Crean because I haven't once this year said that. He just needs to make adjustments that is better suited for this team and get away from what he usually teaches.

I will be around when we win 20+ games.
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It's amazing how fast some of you have turned on Crean. I don't expect to see you around when we're winning 20+.
Who turned on him? I am just speaking what I have observed. He doesn't have the personnel to run his type of offense and to play his type of defense. I am just a little critical of the fact that he doesn't seem to use the bench as a motivator for certain players but he has for a few and I see them respond. Also, I think he should implement a motion type offense that is centered around getting movement and high percentage shots. I see a lot of standing around, 3 man weave, and one-on-one type of play and he doesn't have people that can create their own shot. The best we have, lord help me on what I am about to say, is Verdell Jones, but he (also Watford) isn't strong wit the ball. Also, we don't have the personnel to play in your face defense, pressure the ball, and get deflections, which could turn into steals. He needs to employ something that will work for this team, what that is I have no idea. But don't say that some of us has turned on Crean because I haven't once this year said that. He just needs to make adjustments that is better suited for this team and get away from what he usually teaches.

I will be around when we win 20+ games.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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It's obvious that there is a lack of leadership on this team. And should any of us be surprised? Look who are upper classmen are. While I have been very pleased with Rivers' game so far, he is not an offensive threat and can't really help rally the team when they're trailing the game.

And then there are the juniors. Verdell has to have one of the lowest IQs I have ever seen in basketball. He dribbles with his head down, forces shots, leads the team in turnovers, is a poor defender, and can be super selfish with the ball. And Pritchard just has not business playing in the Big Ten.

So, I think it will be interesting next season to see if any of the current sophomores step up and become leaders. Once Creek gets healthy, I could see him taking that role. He is such a work horse in the gym and hopefully will get his legs back. And even though Hulls is a defensive liability, the guy just works his ass off and is the kind of player you love having on your team.
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It's obvious that there is a lack of leadership on this team. And should any of us be surprised? Look who are upper classmen are. While I have been very pleased with Rivers' game so far, he is not an offensive threat and can't really help rally the team when they're trailing the game.

And then there are the juniors. Verdell has to have one of the lowest IQs I have ever seen in basketball. He dribbles with his head down, forces shots, leads the team in turnovers, is a poor defender, and can be super selfish with the ball. And Pritchard just has not business playing in the Big Ten.

So, I think it will be interesting next season to see if any of the current sophomores step up and become leaders. Once Creek gets healthy, I could see him taking that role. He is such a work horse in the gym and hopefully will get his legs back. And even though Hulls is a defensive liability, the guy just works his ass off and is the kind of player you love having on your team.
Well said. :cheers:

Someone else has probably mentioned it in this thread and I just overlooked it, but leadership on this team is probably the main reason why this team can't win consistently. I think you hit the hammer right square on the nail describing VAG. Some people have said that he works his ass off in the gym more than anyone, but I don't see it. If he did, his turnovers would be down, his 3 point shooting and free throw shooting would be better, and he would be stronger with the basketball than he is.

I also agree that next year the leadership will have to most likely come from our sophomore class. I can see VO being a leader too, but maybe more his junior year.
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It's amazing how fast some of you have turned on Crean. I don't expect to see you around when we're winning 20+.
Who turned on him? I am just speaking what I have observed. He doesn't have the personnel to run his type of offense and to play his type of defense. I am just a little critical of the fact that he doesn't seem to use the bench as a motivator for certain players but he has for a few and I see them respond. Also, I think he should implement a motion type offense that is centered around getting movement and high percentage shots. I see a lot of standing around, 3 man weave, and one-on-one type of play and he doesn't have people that can create their own shot. The best we have, lord help me on what I am about to say, is Verdell Jones, but he (also Watford) isn't strong wit the ball. Also, we don't have the personnel to play in your face defense, pressure the ball, and get deflections, which could turn into steals. He needs to employ something that will work for this team, what that is I have no idea. But don't say that some of us has turned on Crean because I haven't once this year said that. He just needs to make adjustments that is better suited for this team and get away from what he usually teaches.

I will be around when we win 20+ games.
If its not sunshine and lollipops, you are being a hater. Duh.
I agree DC. I have even heard Btown make some of the same statements as us, but then goes back the other way.

I haven't once slammed Crean this year. I have just stated some of the problems this team has.
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