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ITH article on Verdell Jones
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dreachon Jan 6 2011, 12:03 PM Post #1
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Gotta agree with them here. His turnovers are mind-numbingly frustrating, but his scoring is absolutely necessary. There's not better example of Jones's importance to the team (and specifically the offense) then the final 10 minutes of the Kentucky game.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2011/01/06/jones-struggles-dont-outweigh-his-benefit/#more-9870
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CREAN SHOULD BE LIKE KNIGHT AND USE THE BENCH AS A MOTIVATOR!!!! GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE!!!! :soap:


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What I could read of that article, because my work computer keeps bugging me out because of a malicious software being detected, sounds like Btown wrote that article. The guy, IMO, has nothing motivating him to improve and get better because he always knows he is going to start and play a lot of minutes. So why not bench him? Maybe not start him and don't put him in until the last 10 minutes of the game, lol. Another question, why can Crean do to motivate him or help him improve? What he has done up till now hasn't worked. I mention his turnovers a lot, which frustrates me a hell of a lot, but his lack of defense is also depressing as well, but he isn't alone in that category. ;)
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dreachon Jan 6 2011, 12:35 PM Post #4
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
I think so. He may think he is improving and going through the motions, but doesn't really have that drive mentality that maybe needed in this situation. His personality seems like he is kind of laid back and goes at the same speed on both ends of the floor. Sometimes if a guy goes to the bench, it motivates more than just by instructing him or yelling at him.

OK then, what do you think could help this kid improve on the basketball floor on both ends?
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dreachon Jan 6 2011, 12:58 PM Post #6
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
I think so. He may think he is improving and going through the motions, but doesn't really have that drive mentality that maybe needed in this situation. His personality seems like he is kind of laid back and goes at the same speed on both ends of the floor. Sometimes if a guy goes to the bench, it motivates more than just by instructing him or yelling at him.

OK then, what do you think could help this kid improve on the basketball floor on both ends?
I'm not going to pretend to know what motivates Verdell Jones. I have no idea how hard he practices, how much instruction he's getting or what he is trying to focus on to improve as a player. I just find it hard to believe that the only thing he cares about is playing time.

Would a benching do him some good? Maybe. But I would be prepared to see some VERY ugly games by IU without him in the lineup. Several people on this board (including yourself I believe) think (or thought) this team has a shot at the NIT. If that's the case, then they need to win every game they possibly can. So the question then becomes...

Do we have a better chance of winning with or without Verdell Jones in the lineup?

With.

Case closed. Give him the playing time and work with him to improve his ball handling and decision making. Otherwise your basically tanking your team's postseason shot in order to make a point to 1 player. Maybe that's the way to go for some people. I don't know.
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
I think so. He may think he is improving and going through the motions, but doesn't really have that drive mentality that maybe needed in this situation. His personality seems like he is kind of laid back and goes at the same speed on both ends of the floor. Sometimes if a guy goes to the bench, it motivates more than just by instructing him or yelling at him.

OK then, what do you think could help this kid improve on the basketball floor on both ends?
I'm not going to pretend to know what motivates Verdell Jones. I have no idea how hard he practices, how much instruction he's getting or what he is trying to focus on to improve as a player. I just find it hard to believe that the only thing he cares about is playing time.

Would a benching do him some good? Maybe. But I would be prepared to see some VERY ugly games by IU without him in the lineup. Several people on this board (including yourself I believe) think (or thought) this team has a shot at the NIT. If that's the case, then they need to win every game they possibly can. So the question then becomes...

Do we have a better chance of winning with or without Verdell Jones in the lineup?

With.

Case closed. Give him the playing time and work with him to improve his ball handling and decision making. Otherwise your basically tanking your team's postseason shot in order to make a point to 1 player. Maybe that's the way to go for some people. I don't know.
Yes, I was one who believed they could make the NIT and that was with Guy. Without Guy, I don't think we can given the results of the last 5 games, stranger things have happened. Also, some have said this season isn't about wins and loses. If that is the case, then why not try a different motivating technique that Crean hasn't used. The past two years were definitely not about wins and I think that it should have been done then. Believe me, I want the Hoosiers to start winning and start winning yesterday, but I would sacrifice the season to get a key player playing the game the way it should be played and that will only help next year.
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I see what yer saying and I agree I want what's best for the future of Jones and the team, I'm just not convinced a benching solves the problems and I'm not convinced that the coaching staff hasn't/isn't trying multiple techniques to help him improve. I mean the guy is a bad ball handler. I don't see how putting him on the bench improves his ball handling or helps the team.
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I see what yer saying and I agree I want what's best for the future of Jones and the team, I'm just not convinced a benching solves the problems and I'm not convinced that the coaching staff hasn't/isn't trying multiple techniques to help him improve. I mean the guy is a bad ball handler. I don't see how putting him on the bench improves his ball handling or helps the team.
Maybe seeing the game from a different perspective and possibly gaining more concentration/focus and discipline.
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
Leaders/fan favorites/being a better player/etc lead by example. They play hard all the time. They play smart. They play team ball. VAG does none of these things. BENCH HIM.
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
Leaders/fan favorites/being a better player/etc lead by example. They play hard all the time. They play smart. They play team ball. VAG does none of these things. BENCH HIM.
Not everyone can be a leader/fan favorite/play smart/play team ball like Malik Story. Of course, not everyone can shoot 39% like he is this year either.

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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
Leaders/fan favorites/being a better player/etc lead by example. They play hard all the time. They play smart. They play team ball. VAG does none of these things. BENCH HIM.
Not everyone can be a leader/fan favorite/play smart/play team ball like Malik Story. Of course, not everyone can shoot 39% like he is this year either.

Boy, I wonder why Guy isn't getting any minutes..........oh yeah. If you watch the games instead of reading boxscores, you will be able to see who is actually on the team and who isn't.
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Jones is already averaging 5 min/game fewer than he did last year. That may not sound like a lot, but I guarantee you he notices.

Besides, I don't buy the argument that the ONLY motivation Jones has is playing time. Really? He doesn't want to improve as a player? He doesn't want to be a fan favorite? He doesn't have NBA aspirations? He doesn't want his teammates to look at him as a leader? The idea that Jones has no motivation to improve because he is guaranteed playing time is really off-base I think.
Leaders/fan favorites/being a better player/etc lead by example. They play hard all the time. They play smart. They play team ball. VAG does none of these things. BENCH HIM.
Not everyone can be a leader/fan favorite/play smart/play team ball like Malik Story. Of course, not everyone can shoot 39% like he is this year either.

Boy, I wonder why Guy isn't getting any minutes..........oh yeah. If you watch the games instead of reading boxscores, you will be able to see who is actually on the team and who isn't.
If you read boxscores OR watched games, you'd have some semblance of knowing how many free throws Oladipo had.
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Yeah, cause going to the line about 3 times per game is what sticks out in my mind. I haven't seen every game, and he hasn't been to the line often in the games I've seen.
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Yeah, cause going to the line about 3 times per game is what sticks out in my mind. I haven't seen every game, and he hasn't been to the line often in the games I've seen.
He's been to the line more than anyone but Watford and Jones. Not surprised that you don't notice things.
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