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IU vs. NW Game Thread
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Bobobinc Jan 10 2011, 09:48 PM Post #121
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Crean should not have addressed it publicly. period.
Wa ? Explain please.
my point is if that's the decision he arrived at (that's his prerogative, his decision, his player, his team) there was no need to discuss it publicly. just say "that's a team issue, we're not going to discuss it", now there are people second guessing it. i may not necessarily agree that it wasn't intentional, but it's Crean's team and I would seriously doubt that Elston didn't get punished at all.
People will discuss it no matter what. You think people aren't second guessing this ?

Crean had 3 options. Do what you say, do what he did, or do the right thing. If he does the right thing the story goes away. He was more concerned about the trust of his player than anything else, or so it appears.

"In this situation, it would be highly out of character for Derek to be dishonest or do something of that nature in a negative way. It would be truly out of character, and if he did it would be a mistake. That’s the end of story. We got the intentional foul, they got the foul shots. I looked at it. I discussed it with him. But the last thing I’m going to do is break down a trust by accusing a player of something that he says he didn’t do on purpose. I’m not trying to put my head in the sand, that’s just the way that it is. Again, it would be different if it was something that was after the fact that you see on film. Those are the things that you react a little bit more to. The referee saw it, the referee handled it.”

You have said many times that what you love most about Crean is that he has straightened out the program. He took out the trash, got high quality kids, got the grades up...............brought back all that is good about "It's Indiana". Now, with a chance to show everyone that he carries the same standards over to the court, he pisses down his leg. If he believes Elston he needs to have his glasses checked or needs to grow a set and be the fucking coach.....not his players best friend. This few seconds of a game was the opportunity for him to truly back up all the things he's been saying and send a message to everybody, Crean lovers, Crean haters, Knight lovers, Knight haters............. and most of all his players that this is Indiana and there is only one way to do it. The right way.

He lost some points today with the old school crowd....not old people, but the people who believe that what once was can be again.

You can dismiss this as a just another Purdue hater, but I grew up respecting everything IU. This is wrong all week and twice on Sunday.
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I think what Btown is saying is that Crean walks on water and does no wrong. ;)

I think Btown is trying not to be negative, like he was about a couple weeks or a month ago. He knows we all have been really disgusted with the losing streak, the way we are playing, and the way Crean handles the team, but he wants to remain positive because he thinks that things will turnaround. They may, but there has been a pattern the last 3 years and I don't think this team will win much more than what they won last year. They may win 13 games, if they are lucky, but I think it will be less than that now. I think the pattern exists for four reasons, too much individual/selfish play, lack of leadership, not enough talent, and Crean not holding others accountable.
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Of course im positive, I don't ever recall being negative with the exception of that one thread where i tried to get people riled up over the summer. Anyways, I don't watch sports to be depressed and second guess the decisions of professionals.
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If Terrelle Pryor plays in a bowl game and the Big Ten suspends Elston.....
While I understand where you're coming from Brum, I really don't care what happened to Pryor in regards to how Elston's punishment is handled. Unlike tOSU, IU has morals and punishes its players when they do something wrong.

We're not going to be like pUKe and use the excuse that other programs have broken rules to condone our program's mistakes. It's like when they defend Calipari vacating two final fours by saying Duke got away with it when they had Maggette. That's just making excuses and not taking up responsibility.
While it was a BS play, when exactly did we get to this point where something like that became a major blowup that we are calling for a suspension for? He got T'd up, exactly like he should have. If a football player shoves somebody after a play is over, we don't ask for him to be suspended....

And for those of you saying that Knight would have had his ass for lunch....a lot of you are the same people who took Knight at his word and believed him even when video showed the opposite. Knight head butted a player on the bench and didn't get so much as a stern word thrown at him.
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I can't believe we're making this big of a deal out of it....

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If Terrelle Pryor plays in a bowl game and the Big Ten suspends Elston.....
While I understand where you're coming from Brum, I really don't care what happened to Pryor in regards to how Elston's punishment is handled. Unlike tOSU, IU has morals and punishes its players when they do something wrong.

We're not going to be like pUKe and use the excuse that other programs have broken rules to condone our program's mistakes. It's like when they defend Calipari vacating two final fours by saying Duke got away with it when they had Maggette. That's just making excuses and not taking up responsibility.
While it was a BS play, when exactly did we get to this point where something like that became a major blowup that we are calling for a suspension for? He got T'd up, exactly like he should have. If a football player shoves somebody after a play is over, we don't ask for him to be suspended....

And for those of you saying that Knight would have had his ass for lunch....a lot of you are the same people who took Knight at his word and believed him even when video showed the opposite. Knight head butted a player on the bench and didn't get so much as a stern word thrown at him.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Knight had back issues and a shot of pain led to the head butt. You should read My Story.
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Crean should not have addressed it publicly. period.
Wa ? Explain please.
my point is if that's the decision he arrived at (that's his prerogative, his decision, his player, his team) there was no need to discuss it publicly. just say "that's a team issue, we're not going to discuss it", now there are people second guessing it. i may not necessarily agree that it wasn't intentional, but it's Crean's team and I would seriously doubt that Elston didn't get punished at all.
People will discuss it no matter what. You think people aren't second guessing this ?

Crean had 3 options. Do what you say, do what he did, or do the right thing. If he does the right thing the story goes away. He was more concerned about the trust of his player than anything else, or so it appears.

"In this situation, it would be highly out of character for Derek to be dishonest or do something of that nature in a negative way. It would be truly out of character, and if he did it would be a mistake. That’s the end of story. We got the intentional foul, they got the foul shots. I looked at it. I discussed it with him. But the last thing I’m going to do is break down a trust by accusing a player of something that he says he didn’t do on purpose. I’m not trying to put my head in the sand, that’s just the way that it is. Again, it would be different if it was something that was after the fact that you see on film. Those are the things that you react a little bit more to. The referee saw it, the referee handled it.”

You have said many times that what you love most about Crean is that he has straightened out the program. He took out the trash, got high quality kids, got the grades up...............brought back all that is good about "It's Indiana". Now, with a chance to show everyone that he carries the same standards over to the court, he pisses down his leg. If he believes Elston he needs to have his glasses checked or needs to grow a set and be the fucking coach.....not his players best friend. This few seconds of a game was the opportunity for him to truly back up all the things he's been saying and send a message to everybody, Crean lovers, Crean haters, Knight lovers, Knight haters............. and most of all his players that this is Indiana and there is only one way to do it. The right way.

He lost some points today with the old school crowd....not old people, but the people who believe that what once was can be again.

You can dismiss this as a just another Purdue hater, but I grew up respecting everything IU. This is wrong all week and twice on Sunday.
As much as I hate to say this, I agree with Bobo.
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Shoving on the football field is nowhere near a comparison to intentionally tripping a player on a basketball court.
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Crean should not have addressed it publicly. period.
Wa ? Explain please.
my point is if that's the decision he arrived at (that's his prerogative, his decision, his player, his team) there was no need to discuss it publicly. just say "that's a team issue, we're not going to discuss it", now there are people second guessing it. i may not necessarily agree that it wasn't intentional, but it's Crean's team and I would seriously doubt that Elston didn't get punished at all.
People will discuss it no matter what. You think people aren't second guessing this ?

Crean had 3 options. Do what you say, do what he did, or do the right thing. If he does the right thing the story goes away. He was more concerned about the trust of his player than anything else, or so it appears.

"In this situation, it would be highly out of character for Derek to be dishonest or do something of that nature in a negative way. It would be truly out of character, and if he did it would be a mistake. That’s the end of story. We got the intentional foul, they got the foul shots. I looked at it. I discussed it with him. But the last thing I’m going to do is break down a trust by accusing a player of something that he says he didn’t do on purpose. I’m not trying to put my head in the sand, that’s just the way that it is. Again, it would be different if it was something that was after the fact that you see on film. Those are the things that you react a little bit more to. The referee saw it, the referee handled it.”

You have said many times that what you love most about Crean is that he has straightened out the program. He took out the trash, got high quality kids, got the grades up...............brought back all that is good about "It's Indiana". Now, with a chance to show everyone that he carries the same standards over to the court, he pisses down his leg. If he believes Elston he needs to have his glasses checked or needs to grow a set and be the fucking coach.....not his players best friend. This few seconds of a game was the opportunity for him to truly back up all the things he's been saying and send a message to everybody, Crean lovers, Crean haters, Knight lovers, Knight haters............. and most of all his players that this is Indiana and there is only one way to do it. The right way.

He lost some points today with the old school crowd....not old people, but the people who believe that what once was can be again.

You can dismiss this as a just another Purdue hater, but I grew up respecting everything IU. This is wrong all week and twice on Sunday.
As much as I hate to say this, I agree with Bobo.
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Of course im positive, I don't ever recall being negative with the exception of that one thread where i tried to get people riled up over the summer. Anyways, I don't watch sports to be depressed and second guess the decisions of professionals.
I really don't have the time nor the energy to go back through old posts, but you were negative about something and it wasn't that long ago. I would say sometime after the Kensucky game, but then you turned a complete 180 again and got back to your old self of smouching on Crean's ass. ;)
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http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/01/tom-crean-making-a-mistake-not-suspending-derek-elston-for-trip-video/#ViewPollResults
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My take on the trip:

It was intentional. He was T'd up for it. The Big Ten elected not to suspend Elston.

If Elston says he wasn't trying to trip the player, maybe he's only telling the truth in the sense that he was just trying to impede the player and not full out trip a guy. That's the only explanation I can think of. Like sticking out your hip or knee when a guy is trying to cut around you. Most of the time the player might stumble or widen his cut to get around. Sometimes he trips and a foul is called. This is more egregious because it's not a common basketball play. So I think a flagrant foul was the proper call.

I also don't think a suspension is necessary. At least not an official one. If I were Crean, I would sit Elston to start the next game or limit his minutes in an impactful way (like sitting him down during a key moment of the game). Whether the suspension is official or not means nothing to me. I do think a point should be made, but I think that can come in several forms and an official 1 game suspension sounds over the top to me.

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I think a suspension for a game would be a bit much. I have no problem with it being handled internally, although it seems like both the player and coach have written it off as an accident.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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My take on the trip:

It was intentional. He was T'd up for it. The Big Ten elected not to suspend Elston.

If Elston says he wasn't trying to trip the player, maybe he's only telling the truth in the sense that he was just trying to impede the player and not full out trip a guy. That's the only explanation I can think of. Like sticking out your hip or knee when a guy is trying to cut around you. Most of the time the player might stumble or widen his cut to get around. Sometimes he trips and a foul is called. This is more egregious because it's not a common basketball play. So I think a flagrant foul was the proper call.

I also don't think a suspension is necessary. At least not an official one. If I were Crean, I would sit Elston to start the next game or limit his minutes in an impactful way (like sitting him down during a key moment of the game). Whether the suspension is official or not means nothing to me. I do think a point should be made, but I think that can come in several forms and an official 1 game suspension sounds over the top to me.

Well said.

I also have no problem with it being handled internally. I also think a game suspension is too much. My problem is with the lie and the coach deferring to the player.
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Well like I said, in Elston's mind he may have been thinking something else. If he said to me, "I wasn't trying to trip him." I might believe him. If he said, "I didn't intentionally stick my foot out." I would call complete bullshit on that one.
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