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Crean Interview After NW Loss
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http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.../110109_001.mp3

Couple of things I took out of this interview. You can tell in his tone that Crean is frustrated. He starts off by saying how the team played with no discipline in the first half, gave Shurna too many open looks by not getting back on defense, and getting out toughed by Mirkovic in the paint. He also brings up that VO and Sheehey have to be on the floor because the bring the energy. And that is just plain sad when you know your most energetic players are your freshmen. He also will take a look at Elston's trip, and I really hope he sits Elston for at least a game.

We can all sit here and blame Crean for his team not playing hard enough, but the coach can only do so much. A lot of this rests on the players. They're the ones who are playing the game, so they are the ones who need to get their attitudes straight. They can just sit around and mope about how much they suck and can't beat any decent teams, or they get their heads out of their asses and go play their hearts out. I liked how Watford was benched early in the game for not playing hard enough, which seemed to motivate him towards the end. And there is no call for what Elston did. I understand he was frustrated, but there is no room in college basketball for that bullshit.

So, Crean can do all he can to get these guys motivated for the Michigan game. But it will come down to if the players want to put forth the effort and go out to get a win.
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Anyone have a video of the Elston trip?

Although, I can tell you before I see it, that while I'm sure it's bush league, there will be a part of me that doesn't get bent out of shape over it.
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The coach motivates players for the start of the game, after timeouts, and after halftime. you can tell a difference in team play at all of these times. where we struggle is with individual player aggression. seeing yesterday i think our guys look to watford to get going, and when he's not being aggressive they're just as passive.

oh and this team needs an inside presence, direly. any team that gives up 20 to luka mirkovic has severe problems on the inside.
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Anyone have a video of the Elston trip?

Although, I can tell you before I see it, that while I'm sure it's bush league, there will be a part of me that doesn't get bent out of shape over it.
[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhrkNxl3fRA[/utube]
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
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Dan Dakich had a special visitor today. I think it was Jimmy Maddog Madis, but not sure, and he stated that Crean needs to sit some people for a game or two or even a half; because they don't think Crean will do anything about their lackadaisical play. He said as long as they think they can play hard in practice they won't be sitting in games, not matter what the effort or how they play.

I agree with Btown, this team does need an inside presence. I also agree with crveech that it isn't all Crean, the players are to blame in this too. But I still think he needs to sit the ones who aren't putting the effort, more on the defensive end, and make an example of them like he did Watford for the first 6 or 7 minutes of the second half. He has tried everything else but that and sometimes the best motivator is the bench. It definitely worked for Watford.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
I'll agree, except for Oladipo. He is very aggressive in attacking the basket both with the ball and without.
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
yeah, but don't just stick a leg out at a kid running past. think it would be "better" if he made a hard foul on someone driving to the basket.

anyhow, i have to pin a lot of last nite on the players. and, i wouldn't mind seeing watford, creek, jones, elston all start on the bench and see some considerable pine.
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
yeah, but don't just stick a leg out at a kid running past. think it would be "better" if he made a hard foul on someone driving to the basket.

anyhow, i have to pin a lot of last nite on the players. and, i wouldn't mind seeing watford, creek, jones, elston all start on the bench and see some considerable pine.
I agree. And while I don't think Crean would do it, I would start Hulls, Rivers, Oladipo, Sheehey, and Howard in the next game to send a message to the others. If you don't play hard, you don't play at all.
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
yeah, but don't just stick a leg out at a kid running past. think it would be "better" if he made a hard foul on someone driving to the basket.

anyhow, i have to pin a lot of last nite on the players. and, i wouldn't mind seeing watford, creek, jones, elston all start on the bench and see some considerable pine.
I agree. And while I don't think Crean would do it, I would start Hulls, Rivers, Oladipo, Sheehey, and Howard in the next game to send a message to the others. If you don't play hard, you don't play at all.
Just go ahead and make it the Don Jellison All-Stars:

Moore, Wayer, Hulls, Barnett, Howard
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Dan Dakich had a special visitor today. I think it was Jimmy Maddog Madis, but not sure, and he stated that Crean needs to sit some people for a game or two or even a half; because they don't think Crean will do anything about their lackadaisical play. He said as long as they think they can play hard in practice they won't be sitting in games, not matter what the effort or how they play.

I agree with Btown, this team does need an inside presence. I also agree with crveech that it isn't all Crean, the players are to blame in this too. But I still think he needs to sit the ones who aren't putting the effort, more on the defensive end, and make an example of them like he did Watford for the first 6 or 7 minutes of the second half. He has tried everything else but that and sometimes the best motivator is the bench. It definitely worked for Watford.
Obviously I agree 100% with Dakich. Accountability.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
yeah, but don't just stick a leg out at a kid running past. think it would be "better" if he made a hard foul on someone driving to the basket.

anyhow, i have to pin a lot of last nite on the players. and, i wouldn't mind seeing watford, creek, jones, elston all start on the bench and see some considerable pine.
I agree. And while I don't think Crean would do it, I would start Hulls, Rivers, Oladipo, Sheehey, and Howard in the next game to send a message to the others. If you don't play hard, you don't play at all.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
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